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    Ok, let's talk about importing tourings

    It's almost time. First production dates were September, 1987.


    What needs to be modified on the vehicle to meet Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards?

    *This does not appear to be applicable for vehicles over 25 years old.

    Speedo (researching the rest currently)

    Link to FMVSS regulations for further review: http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/fmvss/index.html
    In PDF form: http://www.firefox-ev.com/db_picture...1044219900.pdf

    I just found a key form, "Instruction Handbook for Complying With Regulations On Imported Motor Vehicles". Printing each page individually and converting to a single PDF now, it's tedious: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...=root;orient=0 This applies primarily to bringing in a car, paying a huge bond, then getting the car up to US spec to get the bond back. Option '3' on the import form below.

    HS-7 form needed when importing a vehicle: http://www.purolator.com/pdf/hs79710_DOT.pdf

    How do you ship it?

    Preferred shipping method: RoRo (Roll on, Roll off). Shop around for prices, ports will vary.
    Military shipping: Government will ship one vehicle over and one back at no cost. Does not need to be the same vehicle.

    If you are getting it from Canada, you can drive it across.


    What is it going to cost?

    Canada:

    * Vehicle cost
    * Equipment to swap on for it to meet FMVSS.
    * Duty Fee (4% on first $1,000, 2.5% thereafter). Paid at border. Most take Check, Cash, Visa, MC.
    * Registration!

    Elsewhere:

    * Vehicle cost.
    * Equipment to swap on for it to meet FMVSS.
    * Do you have to pay anything to the country it is purchased in?
    * Shipping from purchase location to foreign port.
    * Shipping from foreign port to US port.
    * Shipping from US port home.
    * Registration in home state.


    What countries will be best to pull from? Lack of rust, LHD, availability are key.

    Countries with LHD tourings: Canada, Japan, UK.

    Countries with low rust: ?

    What is the beginning to end process for the various countries and how long does it take?

    Canada:

    * Pick and buy car.
    * Swap equipment while in Canada to meet FMVSS.
    * Take vehicle to BMW dealership in Canada to have any outstanding recalls completed (free).
    * Get letter from BMW Canada stating that it meets US FMVSS standards (free, how to get?). Takes about a week.
    * Drive to border.
    * Pay duty fee (under an hour).
    * Drive or ship home!



    Seems it will be very viable to do this, especially as a few years pass and more and more vehicles hit the 25 year mark (option '1' on the import form).

    I'm thinking if you go the Euro route you could fly in, find the car as quickly as possible, swap as many euro goodies on it as possible, then ship it home and follow it.

    Secondarily, do you think there will be a market for vehicles that have had this process completed and are ready to buy in the US? Will we see businesses doing this (are they already)? Will people be willing to pay a premium to not deal with the process? I may have the resources to bring cars in from the UK.

    General thoughts, questions, comments, input encouraged. I'll add any good info to this top post for future reference.


    Lyle
    Last edited by lylefk; 05-07-2012, 03:05 PM. Reason: added more info
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    #2
    "Ocean freight alone won't be that much. Roughly around 1.5k or less but there other charges involve when ship via sea. Basically you need a 20' container. So you have to shop around for a 20' container shipping prices from either freigt forwarder or NVOCC since you can not directly deal with shipping line. They won't take your booking just for 1 container.
    1. Delivery charges to the origin port.
    2. Handling charges at the origin port.
    3. Documantation fee.
    4. Ocean freight cost.
    5. Destination Handling charges (DTHC).
    6. Customs charges (Examination fee, if customs decide to open and examin your container).
    7. Trucking charges from the port to you door."

    "Ugh, the last country in the world I would ever import a car out of would be the UK. Cars on that dinky little island start to rust as soon as the come off the boat. " - d'oh!

    http://www.willz.ca/index.htm - as linked elsewhere on the site, this looks like a good link
    92 325ic 5 speed, hard top, windscreen, 133k, for sale
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      #3
      All military?
      E30 buildy things
      http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=195286

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        #4
        honestly if you start shipping them in large numbers. you could make a ton of cash

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          #5
          It seems like Canada is pretty simple. No federalization if I'm reading this right. Sending an email for more info.
          92 325ic 5 speed, hard top, windscreen, 133k, for sale
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            #6
            Originally posted by Pl3wA View Post
            honestly if you start shipping them in large numbers. you could make a ton of cash
            OT, but you have a huge obsession with Aisha Clanclan don't you?
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            Originally posted by DEV0 E30
            You'd chugg this butt. I know you would. Ain't gotta' lie to kick it brostantinople.

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              #7
              Are there a lotta tourings in canada? It may be pretty simple, especially compared to europe.
              The first car I ever rode in was an e30

              Originally posted by Cabriolet
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                #8
                There are not that many Tourings in Canada as they were not marketed very well back then in the dealership and they were special order.

                How many of them are in Canada? Not a lot and I found less than 6 posted up for sale nationwide when I was looking and they all had some issues and rust.

                The easiest place to find one is in Europe and the hard part is to find one that does not have rust problems. You can also find LHD Tourings in Japan as well.
                Last edited by MC Hammered; 05-06-2012, 11:10 PM.


                My 1989 e30 s52 Touring... this is Betty

                My 1989 325i vert (sold)...this is Nina

                My 1991 M5 (sold)... this is Veronica

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                  #9
                  There's a few here too, not exactly going for any spectacular prices though. They'll never be as desirable as a nice iS coupe.

                  >> 1988 3.1 ITB E30 /// 2002 E46 M3 6MT / 2008 335xi 6MT / 1991 S38B36 E30 (sold)

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Raxe View Post
                    There's a few here too, not exactly going for any spectacular prices though. They'll never be as desirable as a nice iS coupe.
                    i think there pretty awesome.
                    wish i could own one :D

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by lylefk View Post
                      "Ocean freight alone won't be that much. Roughly around 1.5k or less but there other charges involve when ship via sea. Basically you need a 20' container. So you have to shop around for a 20' container shipping prices from either freigt forwarder or NVOCC since you can not directly deal with shipping line. They won't take your booking just for 1 container.
                      1. Delivery charges to the origin port.
                      2. Handling charges at the origin port.
                      3. Documantation fee.
                      4. Ocean freight cost.
                      5. Destination Handling charges (DTHC).
                      6. Customs charges (Examination fee, if customs decide to open and examin your container).
                      7. Trucking charges from the port to you door."

                      "Ugh, the last country in the world I would ever import a car out of would be the UK. Cars on that dinky little island start to rust as soon as the come off the boat. " - d'oh!

                      http://www.willz.ca/index.htm - as linked elsewhere on the site, this looks like a good link
                      No reason to ship in a container. Do a search for "Ro-Ro" shipping (roll on, roll off). Easiest and cheapest way to ship a car.

                      Choose your ports carefully. For example, when I was looking into shipping a car to Europe a couple of years ago, it was much cheaper to ship from Elizabeth NJ to Antwerp, Belgium than it using other ports. You have to shop around.
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                        #12
                        Ship it to the port of Tacoma and I will unload it for you :) A roro is a safe means of transfer, the cars have there own room and are hand loaded. There are a few other companies out here that ship cars but it's mainly to Alaska is that helps. I have also seen cars and boats being shipped with the large shipments of kias that come from I think japan.



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                          #13
                          Fact they didn't make 87's means waiting till 2013 before they are legal. Also how do you plan to get the vehicle from where you purchased it to the port? Taxes on it in the country where you purchased it.

                          Each time I moved to EU with a car they went RoRo as well. Not many folks ship containerized way anymore due to lack of Tie Downs in them and the fact that DHS/ICE are required to inspect a random % which slows down this method of entry.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by lylefk View Post
                            What am I missing? Cheapest way to go here? I know military can ship more cheaply, does it have to be in their name? Is there a time requirement there (ie do they have to own it for 6 months, keep it for a year afterwards, etc)?

                            I'm thinking fly in, find the car as quickly as possible, swap as many euro goodies on it as possible, then ship it home and follow it.

                            Lyle
                            There is a bit of miss information here. a military member may ship one car on the governments expense when being stationed overseas, any other vehicles he pays the same price as any other person.

                            If you buy a euro touring in europe, what euro goodies are you going to swap on?
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                              #15
                              I don't think used cars have any tax, in Germany anyway. I've bought 2 from locals and I only had to pay 11 Euro to de-register them from the German system. But I'm pretty sure they need plates to ship, at least the military shipping requires it, so you might have to pay for a year inspection and pass the TUV or maybe they have temp plates for shipping. It's Germany, so there must be some ridiculous rules.

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