E30m3+m30b35=?

[dude8383]

This thread is clearly going places...

[TurboJake]

Fuck it.

[Mr. Tasty]

m20b27

[Robotin]

s38B38 FTW...

i also think its strange when people swap non S-code motors in ///M's.

i know that there are alot of non S motors, that are more powerful than the s14, but i just figure you should stay in the S family when workin on an M car.

[Mr. Tasty]

inb4burnhimatthestake

ftfy

[Robotin]

ftfy

diaf

[e30m3s54turbo]

S38 b35 or b36 add some Hartge parts.

[fronton]

The M30 is about the same as an M5x engine in weight.
S38 is much more heavy and big though so I wouldn't do that.

False. M30 weighs 8kg less than the S38b36. That is not much difference. The S14 and S38b36 only have a 100lb difference which may seem like a lot but by the time you remove the AC and air pump, you are half way to even... with 125 more hp and ft/lb of torque.

Worth it.

[e30m3s54turbo]

In 1998 installed the s38 in my m3. I love the hp an tq it puts out. If you want a link to the 89 Hartge 35-24 its on a site in Germany. I owned Alpina B6 2.8 m30 an Hartge cars.
Here some more pics.

[ethirtydavid]

^ yes

[Shangsta]

You got an M3 Pat?

[VinniE30]

False. M30 weighs 8kg less than the S38b36. That is not much difference. The S14 and S38b36 only have a 100lb difference which may seem like a lot but by the time you remove the AC and air pump, you are half way to even... with 125 more hp and ft/lb of torque.

Worth it.

Bullshit.
The S38 weighs 26kg more than the M30. That's over 50 lbs.
The S38 also fits terrible in the e30 engine bay. The m30 can sit farther back in the engine bay with less hammering on the firewall because of the smaller 12v head.
oem weights:

http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E34/Sedan/USA/535i-M30/1992/browse/engine/short_engine/

http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E34/Sedan/USA/M5_3.6-S38/1992/browse/engine/short_engine/

If the car to be swapped is an e30m3 I would definitely choose an S54 over an S38.

[fronton]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/46874380/BMWEngines

http://www.bimmerforums.com/engine_faq.php

Both these sources back up my numbers but who knows without really weighing them side to side will all the belt driven items connected. I'm confused where an extra 50 pounds would come from since they use the same block more or less.

Either way, s54 would be sweet too but not period correct which makes the difference to me. To each his own as always.

[=======Live Fast!]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/46874380/BMWEngines
http://www.bimmerforums.com/engine_faq.php

Both these sources back up my numbers but who knows without really weighing them side to side will all the belt driven items connected. I'm confused where an extra 50 pounds would come from since they use the same block more or less.

Either way, s54 would be sweet too but not period correct which makes the difference to me. To each his own as always.

I say s54 as well. More power than the s38, newer, not too heavy, and theres a bunch of them around. Not sure what parts cost for the s54 but I can tell you that the cost of parts for the s38b35 went through the roof in the couple years I owned that car. I can only imagine they're more expensive now.

[e30m3s54turbo]

Here some pics of my e30 m3 s54 turbo waiting on wire harness.