A thought on "stance"

[ramielm]

Everyone tries to be different until different becomes mainstream. There is a trend that is starting to emerge, and that is the meaty tire, functional ride heigh trend. It will come back.

[matthugie]

As a form follows function guy, I don't really get it. People can do what they want, but it hurts me to see someone take a performance car and ruin the performance. Verts and cars for cruising, sure, why not.

Also, watching a guy autocross an RSX-S running 8* -camber in the rear made me and everyone else out there just shake our heads. His spring rates and dampening were way off, car was bouncing all over the place (so badly it was hitting the fenders), the car had no turn in, and was understeering horribly.

[ak-]

I refuse to take a stance on this issue!!

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[JasonC]

My thoughts on "stance" is pretty much what James said. But it's pretty much got to the point that i don't even use the word "stance". I refer it to the word "profile". As in, Your car has a nice profile. And in the day before the word "stance" came around. Guys use to hang out and "profile" their car. Lowered cars been around since the 50's. But whats going on today with the way of making the car look broke and having tires that don't even fit the wheels and looks like they could be used as a pulley for some farm implement. No thanks, it just makes it look like you don't know what you're doing.

[E30SPDFRK]

So far the arguments I'm seeing against stance are:
-looks dumb
-doesn't handle good
-undriveable

Looks are subjective, so I won't touch on that.

Doesn't handle good, compared to what? I'll admit, there are people that throw a cheap set of coils on and don't even align the car after, but that's not to say that the car can't handle well. Most all of the good quality coilovers out there will likely out handle stock suspensions, even when lowered to the point of "stance". Granted, it's not the best possible handling setup, but they are driving on the street after all. In an e30's case, I would put money on stretched tires handling better than the stock 195/60's.

Undriveable, we seem to get around ok ;) granted speed bumps aren't the most fun thing in the world, but I have driven my car over 30,000 miles all up and down the east coast with less than an inch of ground clearance, I wouldn't consider that undriveable. Bagged people have it even better.

[Lof8]

I have more fun driving cars at their limit than standing around and looking at them, although that can be fun too.

[M-technik-3]

Two Thoughts : Like it Hate It.

[Jand3rson]

My Mtech is as low as I would want it to me, still has a fairly uniform space around the front tire, little tuck in the rear, and its low enough where I need to worry about every freaking thing I drive over.

My thoughts and my car exactly. I don't want to change my oil pan.

Now that being said, I like Stance|Works style cars that are well done. What I hate are clapped-out pieces of shit with fenders that are hammered out to make stupidly wide wheels with stretched tires fit. But that goes for any automotive scene, I can't stand anything that's done half-assed and then passed off as cool.

[Roysneon]

I'm for all things in moderation. a stretched tire that is simply a slight pull on the sidewall is cool with me, so long as the fitment of the wheel to fenders is proportionate. I like my cars low, pretty much always have, but the wheel and tire fitment comes first.

There are cars built by owners who are into aggressive fitment that don't have stretched tires or gratuitous negative camber, you just don't hear about them. It's like how you don't hear about the moderates of any group, culture, religion, etc., it's always the extremists that outsiders refer to.

[noE30]

I'll be honest I think the majority of well built cars in the "stance" scene look great. I'm sure my e30 would be considered stanced as well, but only for right now. Next year I'm planning to make some suspension changes and rebuild the wheels to fit more of a meaty stance so to speak. Slammed cars look great and all but at the end of the day I would rather have something that's at least a little comfortable to drive around daily.

I think Van Westervelts old setup is a good example of having a good looking stance minus the issues that can come with being totally slammed (stretched tires, rubbing, oil pans etc). It's still plenty low and has nice wheel fitment, mission accomplished in my opinion..

[hendrixvodu]

I think a car should be lowered for not only handling but for looks, and to me the look of the submarine car is silly to me there is such a thing as too low, and bags are silly they are mainly used just to show off...yea im going to go to the gas station and air out to go in an buy a bag of pretzels and then air back up and leave...thats stupid to me but then again my buddys cars on bags...even though i think its stupid an i wouldnt personally do it, but his car is still neat....i guess im just old fashioned and like old man'ing about in my 7's haha

[e30lov]

This.

But some people still just drop their car on JOM's or cut/heated springs and bang their fenders out to make wide wheels with skinny tires fit..

Huh? Nothing wrong with JOM coils. They ride a lot better then my $1200 FK silverlines on my e36 m3. Just because they are cheap doesn't put them in the cut/heated spring category. I wish I had a dollar every time someone asked what kind of spring rates I had for my "GC coils" after riding in my car.


Also, I'm a "stance" guy. However I cannot stand any of the blowhards on stanceworks. Most of them are class A douchebags. Hate that forum with a passion.

[matthugie]

Ok, so one other reason I think stance is stupid: the number of cars that they have with solid stance that are otherwise clapped out...

[10Toes]

And it has brought the quality of cars up as well; people learned to pay attention to the little things like offsets and suspension setups.

[James Crivellone]

Ahh the version of Stance I love the most! Expensive wheels, self clearanced fenders, horrid paint, and all around ghetto.

Car in bad shape? Slam it, Expensive wheels, and post on StanceWorks!