Spun out in the snow today...

[TimKninja]

I put the E30 away for the wintar and drive my terrible Corolla.

Mainly because nobody in RI can drive to begin with. Its a shit show when it snows.

[FLG]

Glad you made it out without issue, now get to fixing those dash lights and check panel lights! Looks like low beam, coolant, and washer fluid? Sensors bad? Cant see what the dash ones are. Hate seeing any lights on, pet peeve i guess.

[deutschman]

Are these pics from when you spun out? That's hardly any snow! Weak dude, slow down in bad weather.

How did this turn into a dick measuring contest? Oh wait... It's R3V.
No it was not A SHIT LOAD of snow. It was just more then my piece of shit 325e could handle. All season tires with 50% tread did not belong in those conditions. If I had known it would snow I would have never taken that car up there in the first place.
When I started this thread I only wanted to point out that I was happy I saved the car and its passengers. I was not trying to make out that I am a bad as snow driving monster that eats black ice for breakfast lunch and dinner.
I was not driving like a dumb ass. I had people I cared about in the car including my 11 year old nephew. I was driving way slower then everyone and getting passed by people in huge SUVs.

As for all the lights on the check panel and dash. Yeah it bothers the fuck out of me as well. It's like driving in a disco. Sadly I am an unemployed student living on $25 a day. No money for fixing anything other then critical functions at this point and time. Sad but true.

[FLG]

I know what you mean, looks like you have HID's in the front so might be triggering that one (mine occasionally goes off too). I was the same way, but it sure is nice having all the lights finally off LOL

Whats the ones on the dash? Looks like brake pad light? I could dig around....doing some cleaning and might have a spare senor or two i can throw your way?

[TwoJ's]

Your location says San Francisco. You have no say in what driving in the snow is like.

I took my driving test IN the snow. I also quite often see people towing snowboarders behind their cars. The only people who chain up here are Californians and the postal service.

Congratulations... you managed to be extremely douchey in the beginning of the post, but you transitioned beautifully to being only a standard amount of douche. You're not special because it snows a little bit near where you live. A lot of people get snow.

Also, some people are not afraid to venture away from their comfort zone. I don't know you, but if I had to guess, I'd say right now you live within 10-15 miles of where you grew up. You see, some people aren't afraid to leave the nest... and sometimes that results in a person maybe living in SF when they are from somewhere else.

Sorry, the implications in your post were really annoying. Carry on.

Before people say they know how to drive in snow...here is last years for me:

e24 on the left(stock height) and my brother's vert donor on the right.

You're supposed to have a second picture of one of the cars just wiping the windshield with the wipers and driving straight out of that. You're from upstate NY, so you can do that right?

LOL generalization fail.

Must've never driven a decent AWD car.

LOL indeed. That must have been over your head for you to make such a comment. You should refrain from commenting on things like this or you'll end up looking like a dumb ass all of the time.


Ahhh, better now.

[dannyyisntt]

How did this turn into a dick measuring contest? Oh wait... It's R3V.
No it was not A SHIT LOAD of snow. It was just more then my piece of shit 325e could handle. All season tires with 50% tread did not belong in those conditions. If I had known it would snow I would have never taken that car up there in the first place.
When I started this thread I only wanted to point out that I was happy I saved the car and its passengers. I was not trying to make out that I am a bad as snow driving monster that eats black ice for breakfast lunch and dinner.
I was not driving like a dumb ass. I had people I cared about in the car including my 11 year old nephew. I was driving way slower then everyone and getting passed by people in huge SUVs.

Not to be a douche, but it sounds like it was more than you could handle. A good amount of driving in the snow involves the skills of the driver and knowing when to pick your battles and weather the roads. People around here don't even bother changing their tires for that amount of snow. It can be intimidating when your the cautious one on the road getting passed by suv's left and right, but just smile and know they'll get theirs when they spin out like the o'doyles.

And no, we're not special because we live in snow states, but we are knowledgeable when it comes to driving in actual poor weather. And the reason the op has been getting flamed is because he came off bragging about spinning into the incoming lane. Just picture if there had been a family driving there. You would have harmed them, yourself and your passengers. I can't count how many accidents I've encountered over the years from inexperienced winter drivers.

Be safe op and maybe take a few more classes. It never hurts to increase your skill level. I'm also sorry about your personal situation, you seem like a nice guy.

[ieatpeople]

i have a 4wd truck with snow tires.

acceleration: vast improvement over stock a/s
braking: night and day difference over stock, but still nowhere near as good as dry pavement.
turning: it does turn better, but i definitely wouldn't call it great.


i have noticed that when i have it in 4wd, it stops much straighter in the snow than when in 2wd. someone mentioned that this is due to the fact that all wheels are driven at the same speed, and it is impossible to lock up just 1 or 2 tires. i would most definitely agree.

truck is a 2010 silverado 4wd, factory rear lsd, factory elec. locking diff in the front, and the transfer case is a fixed 50/50 split.

[lambo]

i have a 4wd truck with snow tires.

acceleration: vast improvement over stock a/s
braking: night and day difference over stock, but still nowhere near as good as dry pavement.
turning: it does turn better, but i definitely wouldn't call it great.


i have noticed that when i have it in 4wd, it stops much straighter in the snow than when in 2wd. someone mentioned that this is due to the fact that all wheels are driven at the same speed, and it is impossible to lock up just 1 or 2 tires. i would most definitely agree.

truck is a 2010 silverado 4wd, factory rear lsd, factory elec. locking diff in the front, and the transfer case is a fixed 50/50 split.

Don't you lose ABS in 4WD? I know I did in the Dodge 2500 I drove a few years back...

[TurboJake]

I laughed SO HARD from this...classes? snicker

I know alot of you have zero idea how to drive in snow or how to predict how the road will be ice or not.
I just have moved around alot and seen how people react to snow. Like they are just scared of 3" of snow, where in NY we are used to shoveling out 2-3' of snow to get to work.
This is so true(I love seeing tourists in ditches):

You and the image are forgetting the .01% up here. :D

[bataangpinoy]

there is alot to be said about being able to learn and practice car control in a controlled environment.

crashing is inevtiable, we all wil at some point. but seat time in those conditions is what really determines how soon lol

[ieatpeople]

Don't you lose ABS in 4WD? I know I did in the Dodge 2500 I drove a few years back...

it still works. i try to slow down early enough that i wouldn't need to use it, but i did a 40mph panic stop in 6" of snow (just to see how it would react) and the abs stopped it just fine, hard enough to lock the seatbelts.

[DisgustipatedAP1]

LOL indeed. That must have been over your head for you to make such a comment. You should refrain from commenting on things like this or you'll end up looking like a dumb ass all of the time.


Ahhh, better now.

My car turns and stops just fine in snow. I think it was a retarded generalization to say that AWD isn't going to turn well, it totally depends on the car, and if no car is going to stop on a tractionless surface, then why single out AWD? Sounds retarded to me.

Some cars are going to have a much better chance in those situations/environments, however.

And get the cock out of your ass, you're getting all worked up. Typical r3vtard.

[u3b3rg33k]

how about $400 for a set of snow tires? costco has a $100 off coupon right now.

Dont have to drive in the snow enough. Spend most of my time at the coast. But I will definitely have the right equipment next time I go some where snowy.

Solution:

http://www.nokiantires.com/tyre?id=11899&group=1.02&name=Nokian+WRG2

4 season snow tires. I'm told they're about 90% as good as the real deal.

Forgot who it was, but I thought I read on here that a RWD car with snow tires will do better than an AWD car with all-seasons. Any truth behind that?

plenty - grip is king, so aside from off the line, where 4/AWD makes a big difference, low power maneuvers will always prefer snow tires over no-seasons, regardless of the driven wheel/s.

Yes and no. On average, the AWD car will still have more go and be easier to drive (aka, mashing the pedal like a retard won't kick that tail out). On the other hand, the AWD car won't stop for shit on most a/s tires and it won't turn either.

I love love love watching SUV drivers think that AWD = godmode.

LOL what does AWD have to do with how will a car will stop.

Don't you lose ABS in 4WD? I know I did in the Dodge 2500 I drove a few years back...

Old fashioned locking systems force all wheels to turn at the same speed, which hurts stopping distance - I'm thinking mostly of old/modded trucks with lockers and transfer cases.

Very little*. Which is why you see lots of SUVs overturned in ditches when it snows.

* Obviously which wheels are driven does impact the off throttle characteristics of the car.

Not really with open diffs/torsens - absolutely with diff-less transfer cases / LSDs

Hai guise
LSD, shitty all seasons and I never got stuck/spun out/r3v'd once. There's nothing better for winter driving than driving in a smart, cautious manner...

A torsen and snow tires gets me around a corner, and uphill through a corn field in a foot of snow- so I say screw all-seasons.

I think AWD can stop faster if you downshift in 2nd or 1st gear depending on how quick your going, when i had my 97 subaru legacy 5 speed it slowed down quicker if i downshifted instead of hitting the abs brakes when i was going 20+mph but as far as going up hill/starting off the AWD beats any front wheel or rear wheel drive hands down. All the suvs you see in ditches is just dumb ass drivers.

Subaru is known for having crappy ABS - everyone I know that ice-x/rally-x one pulls the ABS fuse so they can actually stop. e30 BOSCH abs FTW.

[ieatpeople]

Subaru is known for having crappy ABS - everyone I know that ice-x/rally-x one pulls the ABS fuse so they can actually stop. e30 BOSCH abs FTW.

i have a friend that pulls the abs, traction control, and stability control fuses/relays on every car he owns, because of that very reason.

we were driving his 94 caravan in 6" of snow, and he stood on the brakes. the abs kicked in, and it took about 300ft to stop from 35mph. he pulled the abs fuse, and repeated the manuever. it stopped in about 60ft.

he also has a '10 yaris, and with the stability control on, it fights the driver when going around offramps at high speeds. it tries to "correct", even though the car is still well under control, and has almost caused him to hit the outside guardrail a few times. when he disabled it, he could take the same ramp, with the same tires almost 15mph faster with no issues.


i only have one car with tc/sc/abs (my truck), and i just leave it on unless its time to get slideways in the snow.

[u3b3rg33k]

Our ford exploder does the same thing - I once parked straddling a parking lot planter because one wheel hit the oil slick in the space at about 5mph.

Worst. ABS. EVAR.

The only reason I leave the ABS in the e30 alone is it doesn't bother me - it rarely ever runs, and even while ice racing it doesn't interfere - it clicks just enough to keep the wheels from locking, where in other vehicles it buzzes for seconds. I just about match the e30's ABS on the glare ice section of the winter driving school by threshold braking, whereas in the exploder I can beat it by 30'. 30' !!