Prejudice against newer/new cars?

[BlackbirdM3]

This what 247 M20 rwhp sounds like.




And here it is running a 12 second quarter mile.




Still think its BS?

Now that is cool. I have a lot of respect for the time and effort taken to make that happen. It looks like it belongs in the car. Would it have been easier to install something more modern, yeah, but thats not the point. I'll also guess its lifespan is going to be short, but what do you expect when you more than double the stock hp? Even detuned by 25%, its still going to be bad ass.

You sir, are the man. Well done.

Will

[craiggroves91]

This what 247 M20 rwhp sounds like.




And here it is running a 12 second quarter mile.




Still think its BS?

Well thats not him so thats a different case. That engine seems to have a lot more done to it than his engine.

As you probably know a lot of dynos overshoot numbers.

Thats an e21 which I assume is fully gutted and lighter than an e30.

I just realized we are way off topic for this thread haha So lets forget about it

[cutsham]

They are poorly designed, you can't see anything behind you, (the rear windows are just too high for anyone to see out of.)

Will

^

Have driven my bosses new camaro a handful of times and hate it. You literally can't see, and the only way to back up is using the camera. And it feels like I'm driving a town car haha.

[JasonC]

There is very little Model t there. I see a lot of something else, but I can't call that a Model T (or A, or what ever it used to be.) Its a kit car of some sort, but but not even close to the car it started as.

I don't give a crap about American cars. I dislike them all. I take that back, I like Duesenbergs, a few of the Auburns, but since those are rapidly approaching 100 years old, and a basket case one sells for more than I make in a 5 year span, I'm not going to include them. As for all the Muscle cars of the '60s, and the gaudy chrome land yachts of the '50s and early '60s. They are big, ugly and boring. I don't care how much hp they have or how fast they go in a straight line. Do I respect the Ford GT40? Yes, they managed to beat Ferrari at their own game (I'm not a big Ferrari fan either.) Would I want to own or drive one. No thanks, I'll pass. I'd rather drive a Jag E-type or any Alfa Romeo from the same period. I don't care if the American cars were faster. I don't care about how fast a car goes. Seriously who the hell needs 500 hp in a car? You can't use it on the street so whats the point? Bragging rights? Ok, that's fine, you need to compensate for something. Do I want or need an 800hp turbo S14? No, again, can't use it and it will have a lifespan measured in minutes. I happen to like engine lifespans measured in years. A stock S14b25 that makes 230 hp sounds great to me. Heck, a 200 hp S14b23 is fantastic. I don't really need any more go than that.

Like I said, if you need more hp than the stock motor can produce, you bought the wrong car. Simple as that.

No, I'm not a track snob. I do like to vintage race, I like to autoX, but really the only thing I can afford to do is autoX. There are rules that apply to both, and I respect and follow them. I am just sick of seeing cars hacked up to put something else in them when the owners should have sold the car and bought what they really want.


As for new vs old, I'll take old any day of the week. I can work on it, I won't have to replace a whole dash because the touch screen died. I don't want a navigation system to distract me while I'm driving, nor do I need a hands free phone. I'm driving, I'm not going to be talking on the phone. (I usually turn the phone off when I'm driving somewhere.) I don't need things to distract me, there are enough distracted drivers that I have to deal with already. I don't need to add to the problem. Older cars were designed to be fixed, not thrown away. I don't buy a car because I'll want something newer in 5 years. I buy a car so I can drive it, because I like to drive it. If it turns out I don't like driving the car, I'll sell it and buy something I like more, but so far, I've never sold a car that I've driven. (I've only sold one car, it was too much of a project for me to deal with at the time. I never should have bought it in the first place. Lesson learned.) Will I mod the car to make it equal to the variations offered elsewhere in the world as stock? Yes, you bet. The motor will however be correct to the car. I never alter a car in a way that can't be undone like it never happened out of respect for the car its self.

A troll, no, just an opinion. Everyone is entitled to have one.

Will

I can asure you neither one of those are a "kit" car. But since you are stuck in foreign car land i don't expect you to know much about the American Hot Rod.

And it's fine you don't like American cars. There's a lot of European and Japanese cars out there i don't like. Everyone has their preference. And yes you are a track snob. Or atleast coming off that way. Due to not careing what a car can do in a straight line. Hence drag racing thats a type of motorsport. And yeah, a 500hp car can be used on the street. It's very easy, it only goes as fast as you push the gas pedal. And just maybe, the guy with his 500hp car takes it racing on the weekends. But it's cute that you're thinking about the guys penis anyways. Since we are talking about power and it's needs, you like your 200+hp S14. But yet the speed limit is only 65mph and 70 in some places. Last time i checked a 89 Ford Festiva with an automatic can do that! So why are you needing that extra power? I bet you're in the wrong car!!

Now that is cool. I have a lot of respect for the time and effort taken to make that happen. It looks like it belongs in the car. Would it have been easier to install something more modern, yeah, but thats not the point. I'll also guess its lifespan is going to be short, but what do you expect when you more than double the stock hp? Even detuned by 25%, its still going to be bad ass.

You sir, are the man. Well done.

Will

But wait! Those are not stock anymore and goes against your logic of...

Like I said, if you need more hp than the stock motor can produce, you bought the wrong car. Simple as that.

But i'm going to have to agree with Mike on this

wow, just wow.....

[ELVA164]

I can understand both basic arguments here. On the one hand, Lotus Cortinas like mine are engine-swapped cars that are revered by the vintage racing contingent and there are a huge number of examples of engine swaps done professionally that did nothing but improve a car. On the other hand, being part of the vintage racing scene, I can understand the point about retaining originality because a lot of it gets lost. I just don't think that an E30 is the type of car that applies to. Sure, you can get a better motor in a newer BMW, but most people don't like the car that surrounds that motor as much as an E30. Therefore, they swap. They can more fully appreciate the chassis using a motor other than stock.

[MattBimmer]

Here is my question has anyone else been worried about the long term reliability of this cars that are all moving to direct injection? I mean are you gonna have to get a valve cleaning every 75k miles or do they jus expect it to fall apart after 100k and for you to go buy another one? I mean I haven't seen any yet that have a catch can or filtration system to avoid the carbon build up. At least not one the company is outwardly talking about. That's just my worry with new cars, cheaply made and a bitch to maintain. X5 that my grandparents had has to have 83 dollar BMW specific windshield wipers Wtf

[Holland]

Forcing yourself to deal with an E36 just to have an S52 is pretty closed minded imo.

[slammin.e28]

Forcing yourself to deal with an E36 just to have an S52 is pretty closed minded imo.

But making to choice to own an e36 is pretty open minded for this crowd.

[evandael]

^ lol, brilliant insight. sig'd.

[Vivek]

I like Gallardo. Gallardo is one of the best cars in the world.

You made an account to post this?

[VinniE30]

lol these bots are getting really good

[lambo]

I would buy a new car just to look at it... I mean daaaammmnnnnn

[ELVA164]

lol these bots are getting really good

Seriously. It thinks it's people!

[GillesBigCowboy]

Back on topic...
Last month when I was swapping in the enginetranny into the vert, I kept looking at how the car was put together and thinking about the German workers who were putting together these absolutely brilliant cars. I am sure that some of them recognized and appreciated them for what they were and what they would become.
I could maybe see having an electric car down the road, but it would have to make sense economically, which I don't see happening.