What will f30's be like in 25 years?

[straight6pwr]

electrical tape sales will sore, because we all will be covering dash warnings.

[nando]

I dont get the hate over electronics. Most systems are solid state, which rarely fails. What e30 guys fix with chewing gum and bailing wire, i'd rather plug in a laptop.

[Stephen]

I don't know, have you guys ever worked on newer cars? Rather than troubleshooting with a multimeter, most times you plug in, it runs the code, you have a perfect diagnosis in 45 seconds, and you replace the part and are back.


My e38 was intimidating at first, but the shit that went wrong on it was the same as any car, it was the seals, bushings etc that went bad. Having access to the proper software made it really easy to find problems. ABS goes out, it locates that its the front left sensor, and you're on your way.

Im sure ill-maintained new cars will become basket cases quick, but the chassis worth the effort will be well enough understood to keep on the road.




Car manufacturers claim they are placing a bigger emphasis on reliability as people are keeping their cars longer on average now. So, meh. I'm sure the same sort of tin-foil hats were being broken out when jettronics and motronics replaced carbs.

[Blackout]

You could draw a parallel between the driving experience, but I think the comparison ends there. The electrical systems alone will make these cars a pain in the ass to keep up. Granted, there will be enthusiasts who take care of their cars, but I have a feeling the majority will end up in the junk yard by 2025

E46s will be in the junk yards by 2025 not F series. Cars just don't end up in junk yard because they are 10 years old.

[Julien]

As much as I'd like to agree with you on the E46's, I have to say they are the least problematic with "newer" technology. My E46 has served me pretty well and has yet to give me any major issues. Maybe I got lucky, or the fact that I take care of the vehicle like BMW (or any car manufacturer, for that matter) recommends. The ones that do come through our shop are all the usual maintenance items needed (CABs, VC Gaskets, Oil filter housing gaskets, maybe an oil pan gasket if they neglected it too much). Other than that, I've seen some that have over 250k on the odometer because people don't wait to fix a problem. You go to auctions, so of course you're going to see all the shitty ones that the previous 4 owners with high APR/BHPH loans they took out on them and let them go to shit. You want to see a pile of shit? E65/E66....ask any BMW tech and they will cringe at the thought of them. now THOSE are the problematic ones.

or any newer bmw with the n62 engine.. problems off the top of my head that I can think of:
-upper timing case cover gaskets + valve cover gaskets
-alternator bracket gasket (aka $1000 o-ring)
-Intermediate levers
-clogged secondary air passages
-valve guides usually shot by 100k miles, which if you have the heads off you might as well do piston rings because they are also about gone
-that )$(&@#$) coolant pipe that runs under the intake
-Logic 7 amps or the radio itself
-E-brake modules
-Battery drains can be a nightmare on these too
-stupid expensive water cooled alternators
-trans pan
-mechatronic sleeve

etc etc etc.


edit
To everybody droning on about electrical issues. Truthfully it's the same "usual suspects" that always give issues in cars. So far i've rarely seen an electrical issue on an e46 other than the tail light ground wire issue, coil packs, final stage resistors, the passenger seat occupancy sensor (which can be substituted by a $15 resistor you can get on ebay) and very rarely an abs module (more common on e39s/x5). The really odball electrical issues, such as dead DMEs/etc are caused by user neglect, ie: letting a dead coil misfire for too long, or never replacing that thermal oil level sensor.

Due the large demand for these supply has gone up and usually has lowered pricing, such as hpfp on fsi VWs which used to be $800 and are now down in the $300 range. I think the few nice e46s worth saving will still be around, but do agree there will be less around than e30s (by percentage made, not overall, bmw sold 10000000xs of e46s)

[mikeedler]

I don't know, have you guys ever worked on newer cars? Rather than troubleshooting with a multimeter, most times you plug in, it runs the code, you have a perfect diagnosis in 45 seconds, and you replace the part and are back.


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Im sure ill-maintained new cars will become basket cases quick, but the chassis worth the effort will be well enough understood to keep on the road.

yeah, keep thinking it's that easy. an e38 doesn't even have electronics, compared to the F models...... and it isn't that easy at all.

what I can't wait for is how are people going to keep thier cars from being stolen in 25 years with the key fobs and such, everyone is going to have access to the software in 10 years.

when I was younger, an electric carb. was thought to be a product of the devil let alone the worst case (fuel injection)... these new cars aren't nearly as hard to work on as you all put them out to be-If you know what your doing and have a litttle bit of knowledge with some electrical stuff, and not just a hobby wrencher.

[Stephen]

yeah, keep thinking it's that easy. an e38 doesn't even have electronics, compared to the F models...... and it isn't that easy at all.

what I can't wait for is how are people going to keep thier cars from being stolen in 25 years with the key fobs and such, everyone is going to have access to the software in 10 years.

when I was younger, an electric carb. was thought to be a product of the devil let alone the worst case (fuel injection)... these new cars aren't nearly as hard to work on as you all put them out to be-If you know what your doing and have a litttle bit of knowledge with some electrical stuff, and not just a hobby wrencher.

So, easy or not?

[nando]

I agree on the keyfobs. Today's cars will be much easier to steal tomorrow.

[slammin.e28]

Hopefully someone will figure out how to "mate" a battery to these turds with a paperclip.

[Schnitzer318is]

At our shop we see e60's, 90's, 92's, and others with the mag/alum blocks come in with <50,000 miles on them needing new head bolts because the ones in the front snapped. Also seen more than one come in with accessory bolts snapped causing belt and other destruction. Aluminum does not make for a good fastener that will stand the test of time...

I wouldn't buy one later than 2006 e90 with the m54. I loved my e46 and everything before it. Nice e46's are out there but as pointed out they are only 13 years old yet.

[DREWHALL]

We don't have enough of them in our area yet, but I am not excited to work on F chassis cars with N63 around 80-90k under CPO. Talk about pieces of shit.

[Cletonius]

Crushed in junkyards

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[mikeedler]

So, easy or not?

you know what I was getting at. It is not as easy as just hooking up a computer and it tells you EXACTLY what is wrong. But with a bit of electrical knowledge, it isn't nearly as difficult as what alot of people make it out to be.

[a3ternus]

electrical tape sales will sore, because we all will be covering dash warnings.

This.

Not Sent From My ST15i.

[Stanley Rockafella]

you know what I was getting at. It is not as easy as just hooking up a computer and it tells you EXACTLY what is wrong. But with a bit of electrical knowledge, it isn't nearly as difficult as what alot of people make it out to be.

this goes for anything in life