How much is too much

[bataangpinoy]

250-300hp in any street car is awesome. anything more is nice, but you'l rarely ever get to realize all of it.

i mean shit, a friend of mine has a 415 awhp STI, and that car is just too much.

another friend has a 550 rwhp FC3S (built LS6) track car, and just spins tire in 4th gear.

[Bimmer_man]

I like the 300-375 area for the e30. That's my goal for my build but I think by the end of my build I'll just be happy it's running again.

[totheredline]

A 200ftlb 300hp E30 is a FAST car. its not a 6000lb 1970 camaro so you dont need an insane ammount of hp

[ak-]

momentum cars

[E30SPDFRK]

You're all bitches



300whp in an e30 is fun, not scary. You won't be spinning tire in 5th like you all seem to think and you won't be doing piorouettes if you touch the gas around a slight bend.

[mulletman]

Huge power is fine, and so is hardly any power.

My priority is power delivery. If you could make me a 500 whp E30, but the delivery was perfectly linear, I'd have a great time. A 300 whp car with a bunch of lag or boost that punches you in the face would be terrifying.

[nando]

300whp should be pretty driveable IMO. even 400whp is probably not that bad.

what I don't really get are the 1000hp+ cars. I just don't get the point.. basically no home built car with that much power is going to be able to put that down or be able to use it for anything. just for dyno bragging rights? you can already go dangerously fast with 200hp. *shrug*

[IronFreak]

Huge power is fine, and so is hardly any power.

My priority is power delivery. If you could make me a 500 whp E30, but the delivery was perfectly linear, I'd have a great time. A 300 whp car with a bunch of lag or boost that punches you in the face would be terrifying.

This is a great example of something else that needs to be taken into account along with turbo or N/A. A 250hp turbo car that spikes hard would be more hazardous then a N/A 400hp ls1 with a broad tq/hp curve.

[Todd Black 88]

IMO, an s62's power and torque curve in an e30 chassis, would be the absolute perfect balance of power and refinement. Tons of torque, no turbo lag.


Smooooooooooooth!

[JinormusJ]

I've always thought 200-250rwhp (250-300bhp) was the magic number in an e30. I'm more concerned with the handling and weight setup more than anything else, but anything that gives those figures, yet keeps the weight on the m20 side is perfect for a DD.


The m20 is amazing stock; I could DD it, but I want more; and my ultimate goal is 250-300bhp



But like I said; I'm more concerned abut the overall feel of the drive and handling performance. I'd take a planted GC coil'd zero body roll m20 over a sloppy set-up swap car any day

[IronFreak]

I've always thought 200-250rwhp (250-300bhp) was the magic number in an e30. I'm more concerned with the handling and weight setup more than anything else, but anything that gives those figures, yet keeps the weight on the m20 side is perfect for a DD.


The m20 is amazing stock; I could DD it, but I want more; and my ultimate goal is 250-300bhp



But like I said; I'm more concerned abut the overall feel of the drive and handling performance. I'd take a planted GC coil'd zero body roll m20 over a sloppy set-up swap car any day

What about a GC coil'd zero body roll swap set-up? the LS motor I'm using is roughly 60lbs. heavier then the m20, but it places the addition weight behind the front axle. Capable of 350hp NA, and easily north of 500hp with boost.

[JinormusJ]

How much is too much

I was just saying hypotheticals one or the other. I wasn't knocking on swap cars because people who do them usually realize that having both are ideal. I've never heard of anyone doing a swap without having a dialed in suspension setup first.

Just hypotheticals: like... If you had a strict budget of only $2k, would you choose a GC setup or a swap? Most would opt for GCs; the one guy that does a swap is a schmuck.



HP and Torque figures are one thing on paper, but if you don't have supporting mods, they mean nothing. Suspension first, HP Later. After Suspension is dialed in; I believe 200-250rwhp (plus or minus 100) is a happy medium

[IronFreak]

I was just saying hypotheticals one or the other. I wasn't knocking on swap cars because people who do them usually realize that having both are ideal. I've never heard of anyone doing a swap without having a dialed in suspension setup first.

Just hypotheticals: like... If you had a strict budget of only $2k, would you choose a GC setup or a swap? Most would opt for GCs; the one guy that does a swap is a schmuck.



HP and Torque figures are one thing on paper, but if you don't have supporting mods, they mean nothing. Suspension first, HP Later. After Suspension is dialed in; I believe 200-250rwhp (plus or minus 100) is a happy medium

Well stated, I agree. With a $2k budget it would be suspension, as long as the rest of the car was mechanically sound.

[Lodsin]

Not sure what means, too much power?

[Wh33lhop]

What about a GC coil'd zero body roll swap set-up? the LS motor I'm using is roughly 60lbs. heavier then the m20, but it places the addition weight behind the front axle. Capable of 350hp NA, and easily north of 500hp with boost.

You don't need boost to take an LS motor over 350hp :p