Horrific Misuse Of The Right To Free Speech - On The Radio

[KenC]

alright...time for my .02 worth...

first off...i'm sick and tired of the "politically correct" sabotage
being committed on behalf of the liberal media...talk about double
standards and self serving motives?! "we can't show footage of
9/11 again because it upsets people" guess what. people NEED
to be upset as HELL! we ought to be replaying those scenes
every freakin' day! but where's the video?! you can't even find
the footage on the internet. it's easy for the media outlets to
effectively "change" history by simply suppressing it...we see
no images of 9/11--but i'm sick and tired of seeing a bunch of
naked ass Iraqis wearing leashes or in pyramid formation...i
could give a crap...these guys aren't guilty of traffic violations...
these guys are sold out to the concept of world domination in
the name of Islam...the basis of their belief is convert or die...those
prisoners would have absolutely no remorse if given the chance
to videotape your decapitated head rolling around on the floor...
war is not pretty...our military is trained to keep peace by breaking
stuff and killing people--and their first priority should be OUR well
being and no one elses...let them do their job and stop trying to make
them feel guilty about it...

bert

I dont know much about politics

That's OK, you and 'bert' have something in common.

Ken
-who has a ps degree

[bimmerphile]

oh, fucking snap

[gstuning]

Also : Thank god I live here in Iceland

So, how are home prices in Iceland...

My apartment with a bedroom, living room, kitchen, small bathroom and a joint washroom
and front lawn and back is now estimated at : $70k

nice house should be about $200k or so

[bert]

"That's OK, you and 'bert' have something in common.

Ken
-who has a ps degree"


i would only expect a comment like that from someone who
lives and is being educated in Oregon...sorry, my Tennessean
views must be severely skewed and out of sync with those
of the majority...whatever...all i know is that we kept one of our
own out of the white house--and it is a good thing we did...could
you just imagine Al Gore driving this ship?

bert

[Sean]

"That's OK, you and 'bert' have something in common.

Ken
-who has a ps degree"


i would only expect a comment like that from someone who
lives and is being educated in Oregon...sorry, my Tennessean
views must be severely skewed and out of sync with those
of the majority...whatever...all i know is that we kept one of our
own out of the white house--and it is a good thing we did...could
you just imagine Al Gore driving this ship?

bert

:shock:! Please, don't even make me think of that... :(

I'm also going to say - just because bert's views are different, doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about politics. Obviously he knows something, because he has an opinion on the whole thing. A friend of mine doesn't know anything about politics, and when I mention something going on in Iraq - he doesn't seem to even know or want to care about what I'm talkin about - kinda sad...actually. :?

[bert]

when i graduated from college many years ago,
i was confident that my sheepskin brought me a
wealth of knowledge...in retrospect, i realize that
my professors weren't always right...give yourself
a few years of life experience to balance the
scales and you will be surprised how viewpoints,
belief systems and opinions change...

bert

[OOMPH!]

alright...time for my .02 worth...

first off...i'm sick and tired of the "politically correct" sabotage
being committed on behalf of the liberal media...talk about double
standards and self serving motives?! "we can't show footage of
9/11 again because it upsets people" guess what. people NEED
to be upset as HELL! we ought to be replaying those scenes
every freakin' day! but where's the video?! you can't even find
the footage on the internet. it's easy for the media outlets to
effectively "change" history by simply suppressing it...we see
no images of 9/11--but i'm sick and tired of seeing a bunch of
naked ass Iraqis wearing leashes or in pyramid formation...i
could give a crap...these guys aren't guilty of traffic violations...
these guys are sold out to the concept of world domination in
the name of Islam...the basis of their belief is convert or die...those
prisoners would have absolutely no remorse if given the chance
to videotape your decapitated head rolling around on the floor...
war is not pretty...our military is trained to keep peace by breaking
stuff and killing people--and their first priority should be OUR well
being and no one elses...let them do their job and stop trying to make
them feel guilty about it...

bert

Bert, I agree with you 110%. These bastards in Iraq don't even know what the Geneva Convention is, so we shouldn't have to follow these standards. I guess the rest of the world doesn't see how Iraqis disrespect our soldiers dead bodies, by dragging them through the streets and holding their heads up like trophys. These facking human rights activists should be sent over to Iraq to live for a week! Yeah, they would change their tune real fast! I'm not about humiliating prisoners, but this thing should have never reached this level because it's not important. If Iraqis were doing the same exact thing to our prisoners what would happen? Nothing! It's only a big deal because the U.S. isn't following the rules! Iraqis should be thankfull that the prisoners we are holding are still alive. But I guess it would be ok if we slit their necks really slow.

[gstuning]

I would also like to point out to you americans that the United states often don´t play along with some rules set by the United Nations, for instance regarding polution, it was agreed
by the United Nations that every country that didn´t meet the emission regulations would have to make drastic changes regarding polution, USA was over the limit but hasn´t done what needed to be done,,

Iceland was way under,, the US bought some "emission points" that where left over from us to try and stay under the limit when they saw that they couldn´t they wouldn´t sign

Rules are set to be followed, when somebody doesn´t follow then why even set the rules,

Such an event has occured numerously where the US have denied to sign papers where drastic changes have been needed in the US but then they have enforced that other nations make those changes,

When my friend was in the US he got no news coverage about anything that was happening outside the US, this was back in ´98,, things have obviously changed,,
It was funny, the Television was like it was designed to shield amercians from what is happening outside of the US. Well the news is bad ,, there have been constant war for ages,

I´m sorry to say but the media needs to stop destroying, there is also news in constructing and rebuilding,,

[KenC]

"That's OK, you and 'bert' have something in common.

Ken
-who has a ps degree"


i would only expect a comment like that from someone who
lives and is being educated in Oregon...sorry, my Tennessean
views must be severely skewed and out of sync with those
of the majority...whatever...all i know is that we kept one of our
own out of the white house--and it is a good thing we did...could
you just imagine Al Gore driving this ship?

bert

It's kind of funny that Oregon is synonymous with liberalism, when infact only a small geographic region of the state could actually be considered liberal. Approxiamtely 80% of the state is rural and votes very conservatively. During elections the voting is actually quite even between Republicans and Democrats.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that your conservative views are that much different from the majority of the nation. If you look at voting patterns in national elections, your vote would probably match 75% of those East of the Rockies and West of the Appalachians.
Do you think we'd even be in 'this ship' if Al Gore were president? I'm not implying at all that we wouldn't be, I'm just curious as to peoples opinions regarding the matter.

[Sean]

"That's OK, you and 'bert' have something in common.

Ken
-who has a ps degree"


i would only expect a comment like that from someone who
lives and is being educated in Oregon...sorry, my Tennessean
views must be severely skewed and out of sync with those
of the majority...whatever...all i know is that we kept one of our
own out of the white house--and it is a good thing we did...could
you just imagine Al Gore driving this ship?

bert

It's kind of funny that Oregon is synonymous with liberalism, when infact only a small geographic region of the state could actually be considered liberal. Approxiamtely 80% of the state is rural and votes very conservatively. During elections the voting is actually quite even between Republicans and Democrats.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that your conservative views are that much different from the majority of the nation. If you look at voting patterns in national elections, your vote would probably match 75% of those East of the Rockies and West of the Appalachians.
Do you think we'd even be in 'this ship' if Al Gore were president? I'm not implying at all that we wouldn't be, I'm just curious as to peoples opinions regarding the matter.

That's true. It's very hard to compare what things would be different if another president were there - we could be worse off or better off (I doubt we'd be better off - and if we were, there'd be certain reasons why). I WAS NOT a fan of Al Gore at all though.

You do have a very valid point - and knowing democrats, we would not be in this boat is Al Gore were in office. But, the question arises - what would he have done if the WTC were attacked after his first few months in office?

It's very hard to speculate something where it's really a cause and effect, that decides what a president may do.

[KenC]

Obviously he knows something, because he has an opinion on the whole thing.

Just because some one has an opinion doesn't mean that they are educated on the matter. One could sit at home and watch political advertizements on television and form an opinion about the candidates, however, doing such a thing would yield no real knowledge of issues. I have plenty of friends that rant and rave regarding political issues, but I'm sad to say that the majority of them have no idea what they're talking about.

[Sean]

Obviously he knows something, because he has an opinion on the whole thing.

Just because some one has an opinion doesn't mean that they are educated on the matter. One could sit at home and watch political advertizements on television and form an opinion about the candidates, however, doing such a thing would yield no real knowledge of issues. I have plenty of friends that rant and rave regarding political issues, but I'm sad to say that the majority of them have no idea what they're talking about.

That is true, that definately wouldn't work for everyone. What you said is in fact true, though.

[randomtask37]

i would like to hear an american soldiers input on this subject. someone who has been there and experienced the whole situation. it seems to me that some of u guys are just speaking from personal opinion and really have little to no idea what it could be like over there. mabye things are totally differnt than what we think or what the media shows us. some of you have mentioned things like, alll of those iraqi bastards dont know what this or that is like. what if alot of them do but the majority just want to be asshole and make them look like savages.


...im going off on a rant here. i think my point is that mabye we should get an oppinion from someone who has been there, like a soldier, before we make judgements.

p.s. a soldier that is willing to tell it how he saw it and not how his commanding officer makes him see it.

[KenC]

Bert, I agree with you 110%. These bastards in Iraq don't even know what the Geneva Convention is, so we shouldn't have to follow these standards. I guess the rest of the world doesn't see how Iraqis disrespect our soldiers dead bodies, by dragging them through the streets and holding their heads up like trophys. These facking human rights activists should be sent over to Iraq to live for a week! Yeah, they would change their tune real fast! I'm not about humiliating prisoners, but this thing should have never reached this level because it's not important. If Iraqis were doing the same exact thing to our prisoners what would happen? Nothing! It's only a big deal because the U.S. isn't following the rules! Iraqis should be thankfull that the prisoners we are holding are still alive. But I guess it would be ok if we slit their necks really slow.

I don't understand why you keep implying (and actually stating) that there is an inherant difference between people from Iraq and people from the US. Americans and Iraqis alike are capable of horrible attrocities. We already have the example of the beheading by those from Iraq, should we not also consider some of the wrong-doings in this country in the South during the 1940s-1960s? Would anybody consider a lynching any different from what happend a few days ago? If any of you aren't familiar with the case of Emmett Till (which is applicable today because the Justice Dept just reopened the case), I suggest doing some research. He was a 14-year-old black boy from Chicago who was beaten to death while visiting family in Mississippi. I won't post pictures here because they're even a bit chilling for me to view. (The case won national recognition when those involved in the murder (lynching) were declared not-guilty.) Thus to sum it all up; I think that we (and the rest of the world) would be a lot better off if we finally realized that there is no inherant differences between all of us, and that a human is a human. And thus, we as humans are all capable of the same horrible things as well as the same wonderous things. Creating a common enemy based upon religion, race, political ideology, and/or social status can do nothing but harm.

[Jand3rson]

The execution of that civilian on video did EXACTLY what those men wanted it to do, make you all blind with rage. It did it to you, your friends, and everyone else in the country. These kinds of actions and atrocities serve one purpose and one purpose only, to breed HATE. And it works. As soon as that camera was turned off, those guys all sat around laughing about how pissed off it was going to make us fat Americans, and that soon after we would come over wtih trumpets blaring and guns blazing. Everytime someone goes "THOSE IRAQI MOTHERFUCKERS", they're succeeding that much more.