The Official 2008 F1 Series Thread

[Hick]

No mention of anything wrong with Massa ferrari. Guess he did it himself.

I dont see how Massa was at fault for the crash with DC at Melbourne. DC cut down on him, and Massa had no here to go. Hell, he ran the right wheels ontho the grass!

[TDE30]

DC attempted to shut the door on Massa, true. But DC was on the racing line, as opposed to Massa who was trying to put the nose of the Ferrari in the corner and get past him. Therefore, I still believe it's that idiot Massa's fault.

[Hick]

Hahahaha, you sir dont know shit.

DC was CLEARLY at fault. You are to give room to the other driver unless you want to do what he did. And as we see, who lost that one? DC crashed his sorry ass out of the race for shutting the door on another driver who clearly had the position. Massa, on the other hand, did try to give room and moved onto the curbing and even onto the grass but that was not enough.

Now, if Massa tried to do the same thing and washed out [understeer] into DC then i would say it was Massa's fault.

Watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD_zbYOtAnA&feature=related

[TDE30]

Meh, the video shed a bit more light on the accident, but I still think either driver could have avoided the collision very easily. I was going to say that perhaps DC didn't see Massa in his mirrors, but the straight following up to the corner gave him ample time to at least glance at the mirrors. I'm not trying to defend DC, but it seems that even Massa should know by now that Webber and Coulthard are notoriously hard to pass, thus he should not go into the corner as hot as he did.

Before the corner, it does seem like Massa had some idea DC would try to shut the door on him, which is why he went in the grass a bit. My question to Massa would be, why not just let off and allow DC to follow his line? Again, I'm not trying to defend either driver, they're both idiots, but my finger remains pointed at Massa.

[Hick]

Meh, the video shed a bit more light on the accident, but I still think either driver could have avoided the collision very easily. I was going to say that perhaps DC didn't see Massa in his mirrors, but the straight following up to the corner gave him ample time to at least glance at the mirrors. I'm not trying to defend DC, but it seems that even Massa should know by now that Webber and Coulthard are notoriously hard to pass, thus he should not go into the corner as hot as he did.

Before the corner, it does seem like Massa had some idea DC would try to shut the door on him, which is why he went in the grass a bit. My question to Massa would be, why not just let off and allow DC to follow his line? Again, I'm not trying to defend either driver, they're both idiots, but my finger remains pointed at Massa.

Their race car drivers. Thats what they do.

[TDE30]

Their race car drivers. Thats what they do.

They put their car into another's car when the know the outcome will result in another driver crashing their car? In any other instance, both cars would have been damaged beyond race-ability. Massa somehow got lucky that the tire-to-tire contact didn't do any more damage to his body work. Race car drivers are ballsy, but the good ones aren't stupid.

[madjurgen]

Dude, you have no argument. Massa was clearly along side and DC shut the door. There's no two ways around it. Yes DC is hard to pass but that doesnt mean other drivers shouldnt try because theyre scared retard DC is going to slam the door and take them both out. DC is a dangerous old douche that's waaaaaaaaay past his prime.

[TDE30]

DC is a dangerous old douche that's waaaaaaaaay past his prime.

Agreed. But ballsiness aside, I wouldn't compromise my car and a potential DNF to gain one place over the guy in a corner. I would pass him on the straight if at all possible, that way he is much likely to do anything stupid (or typical.)

[Jparkr]

So you would have waited another full lap? Losing an additional 2 seconds from being stuck behind a slower car and driver. I don't know if you watch F1 a lot or if this is your first season, but 2 seconds can mean a lot. Beating someone out of the pit lane is a good example. Massa had the opening he went for it, had it, and DC closed it. there is no way it was Massa's fault.

Agreed. But ballsiness aside, I wouldn't compromise my car and a potential DNF to gain one place over the guy in a corner. I would pass him on the straight if at all possible, that way he is much likely to do anything stupid (or typical.)

[TDE30]

So you would have waited another full lap? Losing an additional 2 seconds from being stuck behind a slower car and driver. I don't know if you watch F1 a lot or if this is your first season, but 2 seconds can mean a lot. Beating someone out of the pit lane is a good example. Massa had the opening he went for it, had it, and DC closed it. there is no way it was Massa's fault.

I've been watching it for quite a while, long enough to figure out that durability > ballsiness. What I am saying is, is that Massa could have waited until the straight following that corner to overtake. Just my opinion though.

[Jparkr]

That straight is too short for overtaking, and if massa did someone manage to build a run on it (yeah right), it would be very dangerous for him to get setup for the corner at the end of it...

[TDE30]

Well, however you care to look at the situation, Massa got off very lucky.

Has anyone on the forum got any plans for the Montreal GP? Myself and the folks are debating on going this year.

[sennafan]

Looks like Mr Mosley is in a little hot water. This is the guy that Called Sir Jackie Stewart a half wit.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/66276

[Rcicharde30]

Saw some vid last night. It looked like he was into some dominatrix thing with several ho's. He may never show his face again which wouldn't be a bad thing.

[Dave]

Anyone else watch qualifying?

Wow. The question is, can Kubica hold that position? Massa is damn fast in the Ferrari this week it seems.