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  • Joe318is
    R3V OG
    • Sep 2005
    • 6451

    #136
    No mention of anything wrong with Massa ferrari. Guess he did it himself.

    I dont see how Massa was at fault for the crash with DC at Melbourne. DC cut down on him, and Massa had no here to go. Hell, he ran the right wheels ontho the grass!


    Originally posted by vlad
    Do you know anybody else who built that many bad ass E30s?

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    • TDE30
      R3V OG
      • Feb 2008
      • 7042

      #137
      DC attempted to shut the door on Massa, true. But DC was on the racing line, as opposed to Massa who was trying to put the nose of the Ferrari in the corner and get past him. Therefore, I still believe it's that idiot Massa's fault.
      - Trey

      E90 325i/6 (ZSP, ZPP, ZCW)
      E36 325i sedan
      E30 325i sedan
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      • Joe318is
        R3V OG
        • Sep 2005
        • 6451

        #138
        Hahahaha, you sir dont know shit.

        DC was CLEARLY at fault. You are to give room to the other driver unless you want to do what he did. And as we see, who lost that one? DC crashed his sorry ass out of the race for shutting the door on another driver who clearly had the position. Massa, on the other hand, did try to give room and moved onto the curbing and even onto the grass but that was not enough.

        Now, if Massa tried to do the same thing and washed out [understeer] into DC then i would say it was Massa's fault.

        Watch:


        Originally posted by vlad
        Do you know anybody else who built that many bad ass E30s?

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        • TDE30
          R3V OG
          • Feb 2008
          • 7042

          #139
          Meh, the video shed a bit more light on the accident, but I still think either driver could have avoided the collision very easily. I was going to say that perhaps DC didn't see Massa in his mirrors, but the straight following up to the corner gave him ample time to at least glance at the mirrors. I'm not trying to defend DC, but it seems that even Massa should know by now that Webber and Coulthard are notoriously hard to pass, thus he should not go into the corner as hot as he did.

          Before the corner, it does seem like Massa had some idea DC would try to shut the door on him, which is why he went in the grass a bit. My question to Massa would be, why not just let off and allow DC to follow his line? Again, I'm not trying to defend either driver, they're both idiots, but my finger remains pointed at Massa.
          - Trey

          E90 325i/6 (ZSP, ZPP, ZCW)
          E36 325i sedan
          E30 325i sedan
          Volvo 945T

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          • Joe318is
            R3V OG
            • Sep 2005
            • 6451

            #140
            Originally posted by TDE30
            Meh, the video shed a bit more light on the accident, but I still think either driver could have avoided the collision very easily. I was going to say that perhaps DC didn't see Massa in his mirrors, but the straight following up to the corner gave him ample time to at least glance at the mirrors. I'm not trying to defend DC, but it seems that even Massa should know by now that Webber and Coulthard are notoriously hard to pass, thus he should not go into the corner as hot as he did.

            Before the corner, it does seem like Massa had some idea DC would try to shut the door on him, which is why he went in the grass a bit. My question to Massa would be, why not just let off and allow DC to follow his line? Again, I'm not trying to defend either driver, they're both idiots, but my finger remains pointed at Massa.
            Their race car drivers. Thats what they do.


            Originally posted by vlad
            Do you know anybody else who built that many bad ass E30s?

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            • TDE30
              R3V OG
              • Feb 2008
              • 7042

              #141
              Originally posted by Joe318is
              Their race car drivers. Thats what they do.
              They put their car into another's car when the know the outcome will result in another driver crashing their car? In any other instance, both cars would have been damaged beyond race-ability. Massa somehow got lucky that the tire-to-tire contact didn't do any more damage to his body work. Race car drivers are ballsy, but the good ones aren't stupid.
              - Trey

              E90 325i/6 (ZSP, ZPP, ZCW)
              E36 325i sedan
              E30 325i sedan
              Volvo 945T

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              • madjurgen
                E30 Fanatic
                • May 2005
                • 1203

                #142
                Dude, you have no argument. Massa was clearly along side and DC shut the door. There's no two ways around it. Yes DC is hard to pass but that doesnt mean other drivers shouldnt try because theyre scared retard DC is going to slam the door and take them both out. DC is a dangerous old douche that's waaaaaaaaay past his prime.

                As time went on, the factory developed the car each year, making it faster, more comfortable, and capable of handling at higher speeds.
                You don’t want this. You want the trickiest, most dangerous, oldest model you can find. Only then can you prove to the world that you’re a man.

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                • TDE30
                  R3V OG
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 7042

                  #143
                  Originally posted by madjurgen
                  DC is a dangerous old douche that's waaaaaaaaay past his prime.
                  Agreed. But ballsiness aside, I wouldn't compromise my car and a potential DNF to gain one place over the guy in a corner. I would pass him on the straight if at all possible, that way he is much likely to do anything stupid (or typical.)
                  - Trey

                  E90 325i/6 (ZSP, ZPP, ZCW)
                  E36 325i sedan
                  E30 325i sedan
                  Volvo 945T

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                  • Jparkr
                    HR Admin
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 3494

                    #144
                    So you would have waited another full lap? Losing an additional 2 seconds from being stuck behind a slower car and driver. I don't know if you watch F1 a lot or if this is your first season, but 2 seconds can mean a lot. Beating someone out of the pit lane is a good example. Massa had the opening he went for it, had it, and DC closed it. there is no way it was Massa's fault.

                    Originally posted by TDE30
                    Agreed. But ballsiness aside, I wouldn't compromise my car and a potential DNF to gain one place over the guy in a corner. I would pass him on the straight if at all possible, that way he is much likely to do anything stupid (or typical.)

                    1987 PRO-3 car /1990 325is (2.7i Concours)

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                    • TDE30
                      R3V OG
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 7042

                      #145
                      Originally posted by Jparkr2004
                      So you would have waited another full lap? Losing an additional 2 seconds from being stuck behind a slower car and driver. I don't know if you watch F1 a lot or if this is your first season, but 2 seconds can mean a lot. Beating someone out of the pit lane is a good example. Massa had the opening he went for it, had it, and DC closed it. there is no way it was Massa's fault.
                      I've been watching it for quite a while, long enough to figure out that durability > ballsiness. What I am saying is, is that Massa could have waited until the straight following that corner to overtake. Just my opinion though.
                      - Trey

                      E90 325i/6 (ZSP, ZPP, ZCW)
                      E36 325i sedan
                      E30 325i sedan
                      Volvo 945T

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                      • Jparkr
                        HR Admin
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 3494

                        #146
                        That straight is too short for overtaking, and if massa did someone manage to build a run on it (yeah right), it would be very dangerous for him to get setup for the corner at the end of it...
                        Last edited by Jparkr; 03-27-2008, 11:14 AM.

                        1987 PRO-3 car /1990 325is (2.7i Concours)

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                        • TDE30
                          R3V OG
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 7042

                          #147
                          Well, however you care to look at the situation, Massa got off very lucky.

                          Has anyone on the forum got any plans for the Montreal GP? Myself and the folks are debating on going this year.
                          - Trey

                          E90 325i/6 (ZSP, ZPP, ZCW)
                          E36 325i sedan
                          E30 325i sedan
                          Volvo 945T

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                          • sennafan
                            Wrencher
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 205

                            #148
                            Looks like Mr Mosley is in a little hot water. This is the guy that Called Sir Jackie Stewart a half wit.

                            http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/66276

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                            • Rcicharde30
                              Noobie
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 5

                              #149
                              Saw some vid last night. It looked like he was into some dominatrix thing with several ho's. He may never show his face again which wouldn't be a bad thing.
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                              • Dave
                                E30 RAT
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 11675

                                #150
                                Anyone else watch qualifying?

                                Wow. The question is, can Kubica hold that position? Massa is damn fast in the Ferrari this week it seems.
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