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    Big, bad BMW shop - What to do?

    Let me fill you in on what happened.

    I took my E30 into Boyd Motor Werk in downtown Portland, OR to have some work done. I had Koni shocks, Vogtland springs, stock control arms, and M3 bushings replaced. I also had them replace the brake pads, rotors, and sensors. I was a little agitated, though not upset, when I received my car back 12 days later instead of the quoted 2 days.

    When I got my car back, I noticed a couple problems. 1st, the ABS light was on as soon as I got in the car. Huh, why would nobody even look at the dash? 2nd, the camber on my front passenger side was horrible, the top of the wheel was an entire inch or two in from the bottom of the wheel. I called the shop and let them know I was experiencing the problems. I took my car back into the shop yesterday to have the two problems fixed, assumingly free of charge, since I already paid for them to be put together correctly.

    Gary at Boyd Motor Werk called me back today, and told me 2 things:

    1) They don't know what's up with ABS. Their computer isn't 'connecting' with my car, and they can't see anything in the open that would be wrong. He doesn't want to spend more time on this and thinks he isn't responsible, so he says he can look more intensively at it "on my bill". I think he's being too lazy to find the problem and wants to be paid for it.

    2) There is no camber adjustment on E30's and other BMW's. Because of this, he thinks there might be something bent. He wants to take it to a alignment shop "on my bill" to determine if it was his fault or mine. Seems to me like if anything is bent, it's HIS fault. I dropped the car off without a camber problem, he gave it back with a camber problem. Seems simple, yea?





    My question is, what should I do with this guy? Its pretty obvious the things were his fault, as they're new problems, but he's not recognizing it saying I "could have crashed the car prior to him having it". Bullshit. No problem before, problem after. I am thinking of calling him and telling him to fix it with no cost to me since I paid to have it working, not broken. If it's broken, it should be his shops responsibility to fix it. Right?

    I've never had a shop try to do this to me and I don't know if I should actually be responsible for splitting anything or paying for him to do more work on trying to find the problems. If he does not fix it, is there recourse I have to force his shop to fix it?
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    #2
    Threaten a complaint with the BBB or legal action if he refuses. Usually helps for me.

    They should fix the problems free of charge to you if they caused them. A second opinion may also help.
    Last edited by e30Matt; 01-16-2008, 04:21 PM. Reason: Fixing double post.

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      #3
      A baseball bat to the knee caps works alot of the time getting these things taken care of after the fact ...

      No for real it sounds like you are getting the shaft from this shop. Call the BBB and report him and it will probably work in your favor. And if not at least it will reflect what kind of business that shop really does for other customers to see.

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        #4
        Reading your post both those issues are directly related to to the work done by this shop. I would certainly demand it be addressed or at your dime take it to the dealer and have them look it over for a definative answer. Most likely not more then an hour shop time at the dealer for some firm answers.

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          #5
          They were working on and replacing things directly related to the problem as well. This should be fixed by them unless they previously noted that these problems were there and would not be fixed.
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            #6
            You could have had a bent control arm or something before and it just wasn't noticeable until the drop.

            And as far as the ABS, god it could be so many things... Did you check to see if they hooked the ABS sensors back up? They would have had to remove them since they pulled the strut housing out.

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              #7
              Originally posted by NitroRustlerDriver View Post
              You could have had a bent control arm or something before and it just wasn't noticeable until the drop.

              And as far as the ABS, god it could be so many things... Did you check to see if they hooked the ABS sensors back up? They would have had to remove them since they pulled the strut housing out.
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                #8
                Originally posted by NitroRustlerDriver View Post
                You could have had a bent control arm or something before and it just wasn't noticeable until the drop.

                And as far as the ABS, god it could be so many things... Did you check to see if they hooked the ABS sensors back up? They would have had to remove them since they pulled the strut housing out.
                according to his post he had almost everything in that general area replaced. if they would have noticed something causing a problem this big any good shop would call and try to fix that too. the abs thing is also something they did. just seems like one thing after another to me and shady business practices by them just pushing the blame instead of saying bring it down, lets look at it, etc.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by NitroRustlerDriver View Post
                  You could have had a bent control arm or something before and it just wasn't noticeable until the drop.

                  And as far as the ABS, god it could be so many things... Did you check to see if they hooked the ABS sensors back up? They would have had to remove them since they pulled the strut housing out.
                  Even in the case of the abs sensors not being hooked up, the shop neglected to hook them back up..
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                    #10
                    It is not a bent control arm because I had both control arms replaced with brand new parts. If it is bent, they bent it.

                    I was advised elsewhere to have a seperate shop take a look at it that I choose, somewhat like Europeanplates answered. I think I am going to make a phone call tomorrow and mention that.

                    Thanks for the opinions - still interested in hearing more. The BBB will definitely be notified if there is not a good result to this matter.
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                      #11
                      Before going to the BBB. Tell openly the shop owner you will get the car diagnosized somewhere else at your own expense. If the problem is found to be caused by the work at Boyd, then you will have it fixed at that other shop, and the bill sent to him. Even if it requires the BBB to be involved.

                      Edit. More comments.
                      Lowering the suspension will inevitably add camber to front and rear wheels. There's also no way that swapping springs will result in bending struts, control arms, or shock mounts. Now that you have slammed the car down, it obviously needs camber correcting plates... Have another shop make a diagnosis. No need to threaten the surgeon who holds the scalpel...
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                        #12
                        I guess smaller shops get away with this shit alot easier. Im a manager at a pretty large chain and i would be getting all sorts of shit from corporate if they got wind of those kind of comments.

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                          #13
                          Being an ass to them won't help solve anything, I can tell you that for sure.

                          As far as them "bending the control arms" that's pretty much impossible, I promise you that.

                          Good luck.
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                            #14
                            get a second shop to look at it , you will have to pay for this, if the problem was caused by the first shop , tel them the situation , and present it to them in a resonable way and ask them to fix it , if they do not fix it and claim it is not there problem , then take ur biz elsewhere and report them to the bbb, good luck p.s. any person in biz 4 them selves will resolve this unless your a dick then they will tell u to f*&( urself trust me ive done it , but only once and the kid was a jerk off and deserved it goodluck. everyone messes up everyonce in a while, they are a good biz if they take care of you even though they messed up

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                              #15
                              God damn man, use punctuation.

                              Like Massive said, have another shop take a look, and if it's all screwed up, have them fix it and send the bill to Boyd, notify the BBB as well.

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