BMW S65 V10 Specs Released (Plus M5 Goodies)

[1985bmw325e]

The staunch speculation coming from people in this thread who will never make enough money to even consider buying a new M5 is just gross. Let alone even driving one.


Actually, more funny than gross.

even though i DO agree that manual transmission will not be an option in the new m5, many of you are going about with your bias opinions.

I believe until you actually OWN one (which none of us in our lifetime will ever reach just as bimmerphile wrote), you will not know your TRUE opinion and PASSION toward the car.

Even though some of you have driven SMGII e46 m3's; until you drive the new m5, maybe your opinions might change.

I'm still open-minded about the e65 m5, simply because it is part of the M family.



All of us would LOVE to own a Ferrari, but why do none complain about their F1-style shifting in most of their cars. It's would still be fun to fucking drive.

[GreekDriver]

i called all of the known automotive press, engineers, test drivers, and mechanics and from all of their insightful contributions and recorded data i was able to create up with this scientifically exact graph to show exactly where the e30 stands compared to all other bmw models.

from the logged points on this chart we can clearly see the the e30 is the best car ever, if not the finest machine ever conceived.

Yeah, BFC was ripping on the E30 fanatics. :)

The 2002 should be higher than the E36 though, so should the E9 and E21, but in all honesty that graph is pretty close to how I see it. Not it terms or quality, speed, performance, but fun.

[Bavarian3]

"I believe until you actually OWN one (which none of us in our lifetime will ever reach just as bimmerphile wrote), you will not know your TRUE opinion and PASSION toward the car."

You don't have to OWN one in order to find it's true opinion or it's true passion. All one has to do is have his or her thoughts and his or hers passions, and from there, if they want to test drive it, then do so.

I was speaking on behalf on the ///M brand. Even though all of the M5s are nice, there are some that will be loved in the hearts of many, and that few are very lucky to have those cars that were built by the hands of motorsport, not by robots.

BMW M Brand was produced for a reason. M O T O R S P O R T
If one believes that a M car should only be offered in SMG, like BMW M does, then they are marketing a car that will be used by drivers who buy BMW for Luxury. There is nothing wrong with that for sales and profit, but when you stand behind a brand, like M, I personally believe that is wrong on BMW's half.

Ferraris are nice, I've never driven one but if I owned one, I would drive it. The only problem with those are they like to last 20k (at the most) until something very expensive breaks, so that is why you see true Ferrari technology never used for what it is meant to be, hence Tommy Hilfiger Enzo.

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[MattM20]

well if you notice, ferrari are phasing out manual transmissions aswell. the majority (dont remember the percent) of 360's are being built with paddle shifters, aswell as the rest of the model line. SMG technology certainly belongs in high performance cars as it allows them to reach better performance than with a manual, but i think there should always be the option for a manual when you spend that kind of money.

also, i dont see why people hate the e-throttle so much, its so much more responsive than a e30. i think the only thing that makes a e30 driver feel "detatched" is the feathery light gas pedal.

[m42technic]

Jesus folks. The M5 is a FULL SIZE SEDAN. Its not going to exactly going to drive like a slot car in the first place, and people buying them wont be expecting them to. All of you are getting up in arms about how a pure sports car should be built, when the M5 is just a (quick) sports sedan. On the other hand, if they decided to discontinue conventional gearboxes on the E90 M3, I'd feel just like you guys do...

All current Formula 1 cars use hydraulically shifted gearboxes, and for a reason. ;)

[m42technic]

also, i dont see why people hate the e-throttle so much, its so much more responsive than a e30. i think the only thing that makes a e30 driver feel "detatched" is the feathery light gas pedal.

Youre mssing the point, EML is different from the E30's setup (the pinnacle of automotive engineering), and therefore bad.

[GreekDriver]

Feathery light? Shit my E30s gas pedals are as resistant as E30 clutches, not light at all, thats why I love their feel.

I like knowing I'm physically attached to the car, I don't like knowing that computer code is controlling the calibration of my throttle. Ideally for me, the E30 would have a carburated engine, and have as few electronics as possible, there's just something so sexy about pure machinery.

The E30 in my opinion has the perfect balance fun and luxury. How can driving be fun when your back is not being rattled and engine noise has been damped?

[m42technic]

Ideally for me, the E30 would have a carburated engine

Have you ever experienced Solex carbs?

[Hawk]

Feathery light? Shit my E30s gas pedals are as resistant as E30 clutches, not light at all, thats why I love their feel.

You think the clutch is heavy go test drive a 635csi like my dads then you know heavy.

[1985bmw325e]

You don't have to OWN one in order to find it's true opinion or it's true passion. All one has to do is have his or her thoughts and his or hers passions, and from there, if they want to test drive it, then do so.

I was speaking on behalf on the ///M brand. Even though all of the M5s are nice, there are some that will be loved in the hearts of many, and that few are very lucky to have those cars that were built by the hands of motorsport, not by robots.

BMW M Brand was produced for a reason. M O T O R S P O R T
If one believes that a M car should only be offered in SMG, like BMW M does, then they are marketing a car that will be used by drivers who buy BMW for Luxury. There is nothing wrong with that for sales and profit, but when you stand behind a brand, like M, I personally believe that is wrong on BMW's half.

Of course, everyone does start off with a passion, but until you own the car itself, your passion toward taht car does not grow larger until you actually own it.

I never bothered with an e30 and never felt much toward it until it was actually a car i owned. Then, i discovered how much e30s own, and my passion for e30s grew from there. I already had a passion for cars, for BMWs, but when i actually owned a BMW e30, the passion grew stronger. By saying this, that is what i meant in my previous comment.

On the other hand, what you have stated about the M brand, being that it is wrong to be only in SMG, and how they are going toward the luxury approach, that is so much bullshit i've ever heard from someone.

M does mean for MOTORSPORT, that is why they made it SMG in the first place, to get the optimum and very precise shifting and get maximum acceleration. Hence, the Formula one style transmission. That is why ferraris and formula one cars have hydraulic shifting gearboxes, and taht is what the M engineering is aiming for.

HOWEVER, i DO agree that it DOES suck that a 6-speed manual tranny is not even an option for the m5, because yes, it does deteriorate the relationship between the driver and the car. I believe that they should at least make that an option, however their aims is solely for performance.

[bimmerphile]

Jesus folks. The M5 is a FULL SIZE SEDAN.

If you want a slot car that hardcore from BMW ///M GmbH, Might as well do away with the ///M5 altogether.

[MattM20]

Feathery light? Shit my E30s gas pedals are as resistant as E30 clutches, not light at all, thats why I love their feel.

I like knowing I'm physically attached to the car, I don't like knowing that computer code is controlling the calibration of my throttle. Ideally for me, the E30 would have a carburated engine, and have as few electronics as possible, there's just something so sexy about pure machinery.

thats exactly my point! i'm saying the newer cars have the feathery light feel, where as e30 owners are use to the heavier resistance

[Rob]

besides, its a hunk of metal and plastic, not your girlfriend

[e30Matt]

besides, its a hunk of metal and plastic, not your girlfriend

:stupid:

[///Mtechnik88]

My goodness, it's unreal to see the griping on the E65 ///M5,lol. How about this for an idea; enjoy your E30's for qualities the E65 ///M5 apparently cannot match (chuckle)! Wow, how about that for a concept :D !! The future of shifting with manual levers is not bright, and SMG is a portal to the future of shifting. Granted, ///M cars have given in to demands for plush seats, power windows and (gasp), SMG!! But hey, I doubt any of us can comfortably afford a new ///M5. And BMW is doing what it needs to do to attract past, current and hopeful M5 owners with "shifting designed for the masses." Overall, I understand all frustration...but let's enjoy BMW for it's past, future, or both. Funny thing is, I say this while wiping drool from my chin after just thinking of this E28 M5 that wizzed past me this morning, hehe!