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    #91
    atomic.... only the comment about spyder's weighing an extra 1,200 pounds and being anchors was directed to you, and also that spyder's aren't automatically VR4's, most were SL's, so unless you saw the VR4, twin turbo, and AWD markings, there's a reason you left it, sorry you misunderstood, I find your story perfectly believable, however no E30 that isn't swapped or pushing 270ish HP is going to pull a VR4 that is actually racing on the highway. E30's are fun, but they aren't going to beat a VR4 stock for stock, never, any day, if the VR4 is wanting to race. It is literally not possible. The lame ass power to weight argument hold a ton of water... right up until the point that you look at drag times for either car. Like I said, stock VR4's with nothing but the boost turned up to 14psi and 93 octane will run 12.9's at 108mph with 1.8 60fts. Also, again, they will do 180mph STOCK, while E30's have a massive issue overcoming 130mph mark due to drag with stock power. I'm through with this B.S. honda loving ricer argument of "hp/lb." magazing racing wannabe fast crap where drag times and top speed have no effect on the race going on in his puny head. Thread jacking a shitty thread anyways. Have fun dreaming about your super fast bimmer Fidhle.

    ""How capable?" you ask. Our testing netted a 5.4-second zero to 60 time, which makes only the Viper GTS (4.9 seconds) and the BMW M roadster (5.25 seconds) quicker in Edmund's® performance-test database. This puts the Mitsu ahead of the Corvette, NSX and Porsche 911 we recently tested. The 3000GT also scorched the quarter-mile in 14 seconds flat at 105 mph and stopped from 60 mph in a chest-compressing 125 feet (remember, this car weighs 4,000 lbs. with a driver aboard). Whatever may be wrong with the 3000GT VR4, and there is plenty wrong with it, you can't deny its sheer performance pedigree.

    And since the VR4 is marketed as a "Grand Tourer," not a sportscar, its list of standard luxury equipment reads like a grocery list from "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous." These include an Infinity audio system w/CD that offers some of the best sound we've heard inside of an automobile, plush leather seating surfaces, automatic climate control, power everything, and remote keyless entry. While a Corvette's base price is just under $40,000, equipping one with the same level of comfort features that come standard on a VR4 would easily make up the difference."

    That about sums it up, now tell me, Fidhle, where does your E30 fit in with that list of cars performance wise? I thought so. But please, if you do feel like perhaps learning something about the true meanings of hp/lbs and gain some understanding of things, check out this link. Good reading material for most anyone anyways, I recommend everyone read it.

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    I assume those 2 bits of info. should about end any flight of fancy you had that you beat a 3000GT VR4 on the highway or anywhere else, but regardless, I'm through arguing the point with you. The facts are all there, as well as your silly opinions.
    Last edited by Mulholland; 04-05-2008, 10:17 PM.

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      #92
      the VR4 - great on paper, but if they were so awesome then why doesn't everyone have one? I haven't seen a real VR4 in about 5 years.. wonder where they all went? lots of FWD models though. ;)
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        #93
        You realize that they phased out most of those things you brag about pretty early in the production life of the 3000GT and Dodge Stealth, right? They did this because they were making the cars more powerful and more expensive so the options had to go.

        Until you have actually driven a fast car I think you should save your energy and stop posting, you're making a fool of yourself.

        My posting of numbers does nothing but prove your lack of understanding of automotive transport. You stated that a 325e and 325is were much more closely related than a 325is and an M3 were and showed with simple math how you were completely wrong. You stated that there was no way I could have pulled away from a 3000GT in my modded 325is and proved again, through some very basic math, that it was possible.

        Mulholland, you remind me a lot of the kids in my area. They drive shitty cars with shift knobs from Autozone and talk a lot of smack about their "rides." They claim to know a lot about cars but when someone like me (a professional tech who actually knows something about cars) challenges something they say everything erodes pretty quickly. Basic math, kid, basic math. All the adjustable spoilers in the world don't help you when the parasitic drag of powering two extra wheels is sucking down all those ponies, not to mention the extra half ton your Japanese pig is lugging around. Also, you should understand the functions of all the things you brag about: 4WD, 4 Wheel Steering, adjustable downforce, adjustable exhaust and suspension and so forth. Of all of those, only one (the exhaust, a feature BMW has also utilized) has anything to do with going forward. All the other fancy bits are simply expensive ways of making such a heavy car go around corners with a modicum of decency.
        '89 325is S50 Track Montser
        '04 X5 Daily/Tow Vehicle

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          #94
          Originally posted by Mulholland View Post
          By your reasoning you are saying a storm is faster than your "is" anyways 2,100 lb car, 140hp vs. 2,600 lb car, 170hp. So now by your reasoning, not only does it outhandle you, it beats you from a highway roll. Conratulations sucker.
          Once again, math owns you. My IS has 137 bhp per ton and your Geo AssStorm has 133 bhp per ton. Don't argue my logic with me unless you're prepared to be right.

          Now let's talk about 1/4 mile times: You're precious Porker, being AWD will naturally have great quater mile times because of it's launching abilities. That said, you quote a stock VR4 as running 14s and I have timeslips to prove that my e30 runs 15s. Now lets start us side by side at the END of this 1/4 mile and you'll have a more clear vision of the situation I described. At this point those amazing launching abilities mean absolutely JACK and that fancy All Wheel Drive system you love so much is sucking up a lot of that bountiful power you brag about. :up:
          '89 325is S50 Track Montser
          '04 X5 Daily/Tow Vehicle

          http://www.avarestoration.com

          http://www.myspace.com/brendanfiddle


          Click here if you want to be my zombie slave...

          http://www.youtube.com/user/Fidhle007

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            #95
            You didn't "prove" anything with basic math, and I consider 180mph a "fast" car. I also consider 0-60 in 5.4 a "quick" car. Both are speculative, however, both are obviously faster and quicker than your "professional technician" "modified" E30. The only person around here sounding like a ricer is you, as I'm talking about a high performance machine, not some "shitty car with a shift knob from autozone" as you put it. BTW mister "professional technician" I really hate to burst your bubble, but suspension, exhaust, and AWD all have a LOT to do with "moving forward" as you so bluntly phrased it. Also in case you didn't know, a 1991 3000GT VR4, such as mine, running stock engine components, such as mine, can safely produce over 400bhp on 93 octane, such as mine, with absolutely nothing but turning the boost up. Please continue to offer your "professional technician" load of crap about a car you obviously know nothing about. Anyone in the E30 community who truly knows E30 performance can attest to the E30's trouble attaining high speeds due to drag. Also, did you ever think maybe there is a reason all of those high speed performance cars have such long low profiles? center of gravity and weight transfer affect straight line speed every bit as much as cornering ability. Do yourself a favor as a "professional technician" and read through http://www.stealth316.com/2-calc-hp-et-mph.htm then when you finish, if you want to learn about 3000GT's read up at http://www.3000gtvr4.com/pages/3000gthistory.html
            I am through spending time discussing this issue with you.

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              #96
              And yet you keep posting...
              '89 325is S50 Track Montser
              '04 X5 Daily/Tow Vehicle

              http://www.avarestoration.com

              http://www.myspace.com/brendanfiddle


              Click here if you want to be my zombie slave...

              http://www.youtube.com/user/Fidhle007

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                #97
                Originally posted by nando View Post
                the VR4 - great on paper, but if they were so awesome then why doesn't everyone have one? I haven't seen a real VR4 in about 5 years.. wonder where they all went? lots of FWD models though. ;)
                Simple nando, production numbers, and cost. Well maintained low mileage VR4's still pull 14-30k on Ebay lol. I can imagine base model and SL's are dirt cheap... a local shop that specializes on them and frequently sells them out front has a base model with 89k on it for 6,500 I believe, and it is almost as immaculate as the 73k mile VR4 they had that sold a month ago for 19,500. A large majority of VR4 owners I know do not daily drive the cars, they keep them as a sunday driver or cruising car, base and SL's tend to be daily driver semi performers like mustangs. Also you probably wont ever see a spyder or one of the soft top convertibles produced aftermarket. I saw one in the last 5 years and it was a 28k mile car like a year ago that sold for 44k to a collector couple that houses 8 VR4's. But 3000GT's are a fairly rare car to see, although their first years of production outsold the supra, rx-7, and 300zx combine, even back then the majority were not VR4's. I will attest to non VR4's being pigs, but VR4's come severely underrated and down tuned, and like I said, can easily be well into the 400's bhp with nothing but boost turned up and more fuel. Anyone interested in making a VR4 fast can break into the 12's for under $1,200, and still maintain stock reliability. It should also be noted that the european market only 13g turbo's are capable of well over 500bhp with nothing but boost raise and fuel. But don't listen to me, my car is slow.

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                  #98
                  I think the both of you need to STFU.

                  1992 BMW 325iC
                  1978 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
                  1965 Chevrolet Corvair Monza 140hp

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Mulholland View Post
                    I am through spending time discussing this issue with you.
                    Hmm, and yet look who's still posting?
                    '89 325is S50 Track Montser
                    '04 X5 Daily/Tow Vehicle

                    http://www.avarestoration.com

                    http://www.myspace.com/brendanfiddle


                    Click here if you want to be my zombie slave...

                    http://www.youtube.com/user/Fidhle007

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                      Originally posted by Fidhle007 View Post
                      And yet you keep posting...
                      congratulations, you posted about how your car has 4 more bhp per lb than a geo storm. I was only saying they were better at auto-x anyways. Regardless, I think if you read that site I showed you, about all of the major advancements in calculation of 1/4 mile ET and mph, you'll find that your argument holds no water. Also, yeah good point, you trap a second lower than that AWD pig, then site that it's AWd is only important in the 1/4 mile. Well GUESS WHAT? It's extra half a ton on you only matters form a dig to you freaking IDIOT. Wow, just wow. Again, your car struggles to break 130mph and tops at 140 if that, a VR4 will blow past you no matter how hard you think you pull on them for a split second. They top out at 180mph.... how is that highway race working out in your mind? You do realize the other cars you are saying you can beat by putting yourself in a winning view against a VR4, right? BTW if you think that the AWD is the only thing affecting the "you getting your ass handed to you" factors of the race from a highway, what does your AMAZING car trap at? Or have you ever even taken it to a track? Because at 15 seconds flat (..and I need to drive a "real fast car" before I talk) I severely doubt seeing you trap 110mph. And trap speeds are the only drag related quantitative data indicative of the results of a highway race. There is only one reason you'd have a shit eating grin on your face after racing a VR4 from a dig, from a 50 roll, from a 100 roll, or from any roll, and that's because you're full of shit.

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                        Do i need to repeat myself?


                        Screw it... I'm just going to lock this thread.
                        Last edited by JasonC; 04-05-2008, 11:38 PM.

                        1992 BMW 325iC
                        1978 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
                        1965 Chevrolet Corvair Monza 140hp

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