Ethos Gas reformulator?

[E30 Cabrio]

Like I said in my earlier post, let's take two new identical cars, put them both on Dyno's - one treated and one not treated and run them at the same speed, RPM, etc...over several tanks of gas and see the results.

Why don't they do the above test and have the results verified by an independent 3rd party?

Instead, we get anecdotal, cherry-picked positive testimonials while the negative ones are purposely left out - which is known as lying by omission.

Again, let's see two new identical cars put on dyno's, one car treated, one not and run them on the dyno or a track under identical conditions and compare results.

Why won't they do such a test?

We all know why...

[E30_fiend]

^^^^^^

If you're so skeptical about it and you want them to run your test, why don't you run it. They are basically paying you 46 dollars in gas after you have purchased ethos. Its a win win. You buy a bottle, get 100 dollars in gas and have a friend do the same. Jack both cars up on jack stands. And run them in 5th gear at 65mph until they run out of gas. Look at the mileage after that.

They don't need to do this test because they have their own proof. There will always be bad experiences with any product. Every company "lies by omission" as you put it. Do you think that every single BMW owner has loved their car and had no complaints? I doubt it. Every company takes the good experiences and puts them out there rather than the bad. They have had a large percentage more good experiences to talk about than bad ones.

Just try it and if you don't want to then quit complaining about them not testing how you want them to. If you don't try it and judge it for yourself then you will believe the bad experiences and not the good experiences.


E30_Fiend

[gstuning]

you can´t mess with the molecules in the gas your running using additives.

I´m sure the F1 teams use it? getting that extra mile to them is of the utmost importance.

[NOMAD]

So it turns your gas tank into a mini oil refinery! Awesome!
I always thought that refining fuels created byproducts, precipitates and heat/emissions. Wow, guess I don't know much about chemistry.

I watched the two videos and they don't prove anything.
The story was about MPG improvement, yet they gave no direct test or mention of the MPG numbers. They took an '82 carb'ed toyota.
They put it on an emmissions tester and tested HC levels. Before and after the treatment there was a drop in HC levels. OK. So did it increase gas mileage? They DID NOT SAY.
They said "well if the numbers are lower then it must have. Sorry, that doesn't fly in the scientific community.
Was the gas "reformulated"? Nobody tested it for octane or any other change.
Maybe it just acted as a carb cleaner and cleaned out some dirt that kept fuel from atomizing. Dump too much fuel in and you'll have rich conditions, atomize it and you'll get a cleaner burn.

It could have been no change at all. The conditions of the test were not given. Was the car sitting for a while before testing? They mentioned they tested it (high results) and then added ethos and drove it for 20 miles, then tested it again (low results). Sounds to me like they warmed up that 26 year old engine and cat.

Second video is even worse. Emissions tech gives a good statement that it may have cleaned up a dirty system but doesn't add extra power that isn't there. They tested emissions (which seems like a convenient suggestion probably from the ethos people) and the first tester noted NO DIFFERENCE in gas mileage. So the rep says he DOUBTS the guy was actually getting the original mileage he stated. So they gave it to another undescribed person who "reported a 10% increase in mileage".

Again, no science or scientific method involved. When faced with opposing evidence they tried to discredit the evidence. Convenient.

So I'm calling BS. Short on fact, short on science, long on assumption and anectdotal "evidence".
Gotta do better than that.

[E30_fiend]

Jesus, like I said before, you can speculate all you want but the only facts you will believe is if you do it yourself.

Why is everyone being so fuckin cheap? You pay 54 bucks for the stuff, they send you 4 25 dollar gas cards and you see if it works for you. If it doesn't work, THEY PAID YOU with gas. How is that bad?

Quit the speculation and do your own experiement with it if the facts they have weren't enough for you. Every single prodcut has its flaws, there is no perfect product. Any marketing consultant can tell you that. The people that haven't tried it can't talk shit about it because you have no proof that its bullshit or that its a scam. The only way you can find the results you are looking for, whether you are looking for results to disprove the effectiveness or prove it, is to conduct your own testing.

See for yourself.


E30_Fiend

[NOMAD]

I'm sorry, I think you are missing the point. And why are you taking this so personal?

The burden of proof is not on ME.
It is on the company selling the product.
As a consumer I will not give a company profits for the privilege of proving or disproving their claims. A product that the customer has to buy in order to determine if it works or not does not have a strong place in a market.

I'm glad pharmaceutical companies don't follow your reasoning.

So your mom is a rep, no problem. Hope she makes a bunch of money.

But I hope this isn't one of those products that reps have to "invest" in x amount of cases they will then sell. Typically the only one making money is the initial company, not the reps. That, my friend, is a proven fact.

[Tree18is]

so why the fuck cant the oil company reform its gas anyways??? no CO output...

what the fuck!

[etxxz]

idk. I'm going to try it while i build my "HHO" gas system. we'll see

[92 mtechnic cabrio]

so clavin

lets hear the results

[clavinZERO]

so far... the best was 26.7 MPG to bimmerfest. 75ish MPH mostly. That was one the first shot of Ethos. I am currently doing my "daily driving" testing. I will let you know.

To put things into perspective... I got 28.5 MPG when coming back from Oregon 3 years ago. That was also higher octane gas btw. So, just for kicks I threw that in.

[CorvallisBMW]

^ that's good mileage for an m20, even w/o funny gas additives

[Justin B]

FWIW on my trip home with straight gas I got 26.22mpg from SB to Salinas, then from Salinas to home including driving through SF down town I got 26.94mpg. Was driving between 75 and 80mph on the highway. We shall compare results going to WA and back too, of course.

[allwheeldrive]

So 4 25$ gift cards that you can use for "anything" at a gas station. Including gas! Well, at least it seems you could at least just buy a bunch of booze to drown out your sorrows from not gaining any gas mileage. :D

I've never been a real believer in additives. I think its a gimmick and really just b.s., just like the tornado and electric superchargers!

[E30 Cabrio]

^^^^^^

If you're so skeptical about it and you want them to run your test, why don't you run it. They are basically paying you 46 dollars in gas after you have purchased ethos. Its a win win. You buy a bottle, get 100 dollars in gas and have a friend do the same. Jack both cars up on jack stands. And run them in 5th gear at 65mph until they run out of gas. Look at the mileage after that.

They don't need to do this test because they have their own proof. There will always be bad experiences with any product. Every company "lies by omission" as you put it. Do you think that every single BMW owner has loved their car and had no complaints? I doubt it. Every company takes the good experiences and puts them out there rather than the bad. They have had a large percentage more good experiences to talk about than bad ones.

Just try it and if you don't want to then quit complaining about them not testing how you want them to. If you don't try it and judge it for yourself then you will believe the bad experiences and not the good experiences.


E30_Fiend

I'm not going to put some mystery additive in my car, that's why.

Nor is it my job to prove their claims.

If this product is so great, then they should take two new cars, treat one but not the other, put them on Dyno's and run them and have the results independently verified.

Why won't they do it? Why won't they spend a few dollars on that instead of bribing people with gas cards to give positive testimonials based on anecdotal results?

Yeah, most people will get better mileage due to the placebo effect and that they want it to work, so they will sub-consciously change their driving habits and get slightly better MPG.

Maybe.

I've seen all this before with other additives.

Again, instead of bribing people with gift cards (BTW, do I have to "recruit" others before I get those? Yeah, that's what I thought) to give positive testimonials, spend it on dyno testing two identical cars, one treated, one untreated and have an independent, unbiased source document and release the results.

That would speak far louder then testimonials from people who have not done any comparison in a controlled environment.

Of course people are going to give positive testimonials. They're being bribed to do so.

[alpinweiB]

ive never trusted additives either so i never put them in my car, but holy shit you guys are cynical.