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  • expressfish
    E30 Addict
    • May 2008
    • 526

    #1

    ?'s about sport springs/ camber specs

    I know, search search search. Did I spell that right ?? Anyhow If I'd like to install some H&r sport springs, how much will my caster/camber be off ?? Will it be within specs or will I have to get some m3 cab's and get technical with the rear end ?? Ive got the front end torn apart and waiting for new control arms, stock cab's ect. Kinda dont want to spend the money on shocks and springs, but while Ive got eveything torn apart, may as well. I guess to sum it up......can I just install the springs and shocks and walk away with out having to modify anything else ??:???:
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  • FredK
    R3V OG
    • Oct 2003
    • 14747

    #2
    The short of it is, yes. H&R Sport doesn't drop your car down that low.

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    • nando
      Moderator
      • Nov 2003
      • 34827

      #3
      yeah, if you're getting excessive camber from a set of spring springs, something else is wrong.

      you'll want to have your front toe checked for sure though!
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      • DCColegrove
        Banned
        • Dec 2007
        • 2748

        #4
        The rule of thumb is a 30mm drop is the limit before you need to facilitate adjustment for Camber, Caster (and Toe in the rear). H&R Sports will put it just about right there (be extra sure that you get the correct set for the application).

        On another note: Offset LCABS Require more changes than most everyone seems to know about. Not really the greatest idea on a "street" e30.

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        • NC325iC
          R3V OG
          • Mar 2004
          • 6565

          #5
          m3 CABs wont fix camber fyi, get them anyway though
          Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

          Originally posted by TimKninja
          Im more afraid of this thread turning into one of those classic R3v moments, where Pizza gets delivered.

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          • DCColegrove
            Banned
            • Dec 2007
            • 2748

            #6
            Originally posted by NC325iC
            m3 CABs wont fix camber fyi, get them anyway though
            Why?

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            • nando
              Moderator
              • Nov 2003
              • 34827

              #7
              Originally posted by DCColegrove
              On another note: Offset LCABS Require more changes than most everyone seems to know about. Not really the greatest idea on a "street" e30.
              huh? care to elaborate?
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              • FredK
                R3V OG
                • Oct 2003
                • 14747

                #8
                The only thing I could possibly see is that it reduces straight line stability. I experienced this in my E36, but after I got an alignment with reasonable toe in it disappeared.

                spring springs

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                • DCColegrove
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 2748

                  #9
                  offset LCABS toss the arms forward in an e30 it gives you more + caster but also changes the rack geometry, the included angle and scrub radius those things should be addressed (they are on the M3 chassis...different ball game)

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                  • DCColegrove
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 2748

                    #10
                    Originally posted by FredK
                    The only thing I could possibly see is that it reduces straight line stability. I experienced this in my E36, but after I got an alignment with reasonable toe in it disappeared.

                    spring springs
                    More caster will increase not reduce straight line stabilty. That's not where the trouble is.

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                    • DCColegrove
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 2748

                      #11
                      As to all the what's and whys about the LCAB offset dilemma, when (if) I get the time, I'll post a brief write up about it.

                      But to the OP, you should be fine baring any bent worn or just out of spec shit going on.

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                      • backtrail69
                        R3V Elite
                        • Jul 2005
                        • 4471

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DCColegrove
                        offset LCABS toss the arms forward in an e30 it gives you more + caster but also changes the rack geometry, the included angle and scrub radius those things should be addressed (they are on the M3 chassis...different ball game)
                        Explain to me why an m3 rack, m3 tie rods, subframe, struts and control arms all work on regular e30s... oh thats right its the SAME car.. in the rear the only thing different is the hubs and brakes...
                        :: PNW Crew ::
                        '87 325 4dr, '74 2002

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                        • DCColegrove
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 2748

                          #13
                          Originally posted by backtrail69
                          Explain to me why an m3 rack, m3 tie rods, subframe, struts and control arms all work on regular e30s... oh thats right its the SAME car.. in the rear the only thing different is the hubs and brakes...
                          But, no It's not really the same car.

                          True However, when you swap all of that on to an e30 (and move the rack into the forward bosses in the sub frame) it works pretty well.



                          You see, I was at BMW AG and NA (about '82 to '91) when all that shit was being worked out. It was my job to tell Engeneering when and how they screwed up.

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                          • nando
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 34827

                            #14
                            you are right, it does affect those things - but I doubt you would even be able to tell any difference. it's not like it moves the wheel center 5" forward or something. it's like a 1.5 degree change. And for me, the real benefit is dynamic camber - since the ix has so little caster, this makes a big difference on the outside wheel in a corner.

                            seriously though, if you're going to say don't use offset CABs because it messes with suspension geometry - you should also say don't lower your car, put stiffer springs on it, camber/caster plates, wider tires with lower offset wheels, etc. etc. because ALL of these things affect the suspension geometry, and in most cases for E30s it's not in a positive manner. But we still do it anyway because the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.
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                            • rThor432
                              No R3VLimiter
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 3907

                              #15
                              I put offset bushings on my E30's, and I dont have a problem with them at all.. Great for my street cars (and a hell of a lot better than the worn OEM pieces).

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