The Good Question and My Answer.

[DCColegrove]

yes, i read the OP. i was hoping for some actual data, numbers..

I'll either have to get them for you latter (my book is at the shop) or try to guess from memory.

I do know that the front struts moved inward more than 12mm in and out laterally and twisted fore and aft 22mm on the raw chassis.

And I need to correct something: The car did have new H&R Race springs and Bilstein sports installed on it.

[NC325iC]

from what ive read it sounds like hes collected good data.

him posting the data in raw form would likely not help his discussion. i would venture a guess that 90% of people (possibly including myself) would not know what they were looking at. Yes these bars are built using data that he himself deemed "extream" (extreme in english) but if they perform well in these extreme conditions they will perform well in everyday conditions. Honestly i dont know why he gets so much shit, i dont read all the threads he posts in, i probably have missed alot.

People say hes a bit of an asshole online, who the hell isnt?
whatever

Chris


quick edit: you need to get a cabrio on that thing and try to tighten it up some. maybe a bolt in rear bar... maybe?

[abepark]

I doubt any of us would be able to read the telemetry numbers even if he gave them to us, this is a 7 plane chassis shaker....I can't even comprehend where the planes would be no less understand degree's and angles of those 7 planes in relationship of another, or of 2 planes to another 1 plane...ect. I doubt he would give us those numbers either because that's what makes some race cars take the same turn at different speed be able to handle that certain turn better. I respect engineers that take the time and mental capacity to do these kinds of things.

[kishg]

not asking for raw data but an analysis and example data of specific data points that are relevant to the different braces. i'm not trying to give him shit and i doubt he needs cheerleaders either.

[DCColegrove]

I doubt any of us would be able to read the telemetry numbers even if he gave them to us, this is a 7 plane chassis shaker....I can't even comprehend where the planes would be no less understand degree's and angles of those 7 planes in relationship of another, or of 2 planes to another 1 plane...ect. I doubt he would give us those numbers either because that's what makes some race cars take the same turn at different speed be able to handle that certain turn better. I respect engineers that take the time and mental capacity to do these kinds of things.

I couldn't even interpret the raw data...This technology is way past my pay grade.

Thank god for computers because they give us something we can understand.

I should add I can't operate a PlayStation controller either... I guess I'm a dinosaur.

[CorvallisBMW]

not asking for raw data but an analysis and example data of specific data points that are relevant to the different braces. i'm not trying to give him shit and i doubt he needs cheerleaders either.

OK, I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say you have an ax to grind.

If DC posted raw data, you'd sit there like a blubbering idiot and have no idea what you were looking at. Trust me, I've been around these things before and they're incredibly complicated. Ever seen data from a 7-axis machine? I have, and it's fucking useless unless you have a very advanced system to interpret it.

Not to mention raw data would be hundreds of megabytes of nothing but uninterpretable numbers....Why are you so hung up on it?

[Miasma]

[Bandwagon]

/jump

lol

[Jand3rson]

So is this what we're going to have now that the election's over, and no one has political threads to swing their dicks in? Endless DCColegrove threads?

This is pathetic.

[twothrees]

So is this what we're going to have now that the election's over, and no one has political threads to swing their dicks in? Endless DCColegrove threads?

This is pathetic.

What's pathetic is that these kiddies need someone to crucify to make their lives seem more important.

[Fidhle007]

Quick, someone spraybomb a 4-door in flat black!

[JGood]

The original measured data was derived from a raw e30 on a 7 post (7 plane) Chassis shaker… At this same time the effectiveness of several braces were tested.

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I do know that the front struts moved inward more than 12mm in and out laterally and twisted fore and aft 22mm on the raw chassis.

Under what suspension movement would you see shock tower movement going front or back? I'm asking as a serious question, as I've never heard of that. Also, what is the total movement with no strut bar installed?

The chassis will flex pretty much any way it can under asymmetric loading... Turns, hard braking...whatever. We have found (latter rather than sooner, at the time we didn't have access to some of the equipment we do now) that by limiting only in and out we increased the twisting.

No bar at the same forces we applied? I don't know...probably would have broken something.

One bar we tested snapped (BMP).

Lost me there...


Anyway, what road or track to did you program into the shaker? And was it at a higher or lower ram velocity? Just wondering how bad you had to beat up on the car to break stuff. Sounds like some of the roads around my area, haha

[Lof8]

I was more interested in the discussion about dropping 600 lbs in a full interior/air conditioned car using lightweight wiring and alloy rivets.

[Brian D]

not asking for raw data but an analysis and example data of specific data points that are relevant to the different braces. i'm not trying to give him shit and i doubt he needs cheerleaders either.

OK, I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say you have an ax to grind.

If DC posted raw data, you'd sit there like a blubbering idiot and have no idea what you were looking at. Trust me, I've been around these things before and they're incredibly complicated. Ever seen data from a 7-axis machine? I have, and it's fucking useless unless you have a very advanced system to interpret it.

Not to mention raw data would be hundreds of megabytes of nothing but uninterpretable numbers....Why are you so hung up on it?

I don't see how kishg's questions show that he has an axe to grind. I'd also like to see some emperical data, or data overview, or something other than a marketing pitch. Your response is based on emotion and isn't very useful.

Daniel, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, but some of your claims lately on other subjects have made that more difficult. Maybe when I get over there for a track day I'll meet you in person, and base my decision on that. Unfortunately, you haven't presented yourself very professionally here, and your credibility has taken a beating. My money is staying in my wallet for a while. I have a lot of projects to fund, and have to pick them in order of usefulness.

Good luck, and stop getting into pissing contests.

[george graves]

Good luck, and stop getting into pissing contests.

For the love of god - please listen to him.

[kishg]

learn to read. i didn't ask for raw data, so go blubber in your own corner. besides, i have no axe to grind with DC. i don't participate in the childish r3v drama.

OK, I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say you have an ax to grind.

If DC posted raw data, you'd sit there like a blubbering idiot and have no idea what you were looking at. Trust me, I've been around these things before and they're incredibly complicated. Ever seen data from a 7-axis machine? I have, and it's fucking useless unless you have a very advanced system to interpret it.

Not to mention raw data would be hundreds of megabytes of nothing but uninterpretable numbers....Why are you so hung up on it?