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[Erick]

Sounds like you either need more power or a lower gear ratio. I'm still sure you could manage a shift up clutch kick from second into third. It wouldn't be easy but possible. I'm not a fan of the E-brake so I'm biased. I will do anything to avoid using it.

That's very poor reasoning. The ebrake is an amazing tool to have, and not having it for a year really had to make me push myself to do other things (among locking all four wheels) to extend/correct my line.

A shift up clutch kick is just about as bad as initiating a 2nd gear drift at 3mph. If successful, the RPMs will climb so fast that the car will go on a spin before you even have the time to steer.

In oversteering, there is a huge relation between wheel speed and actual speed. The higher the difference between the two, the harder it'll be to control the car.

On a 4.10, a shift up clutch kick can be easily pulled off. On a 3.25, you're playing russian roulette with whatever sits outside the paved surface.

- Erick

Edit: at the 4 minute mark. See how the miata gets away from you towards the second turn? I think he's carrying more speed. Third gear SEEMS possible but you might not have the power for it. *Shrugs* just my stab at it.

That Miata is also rocking a very small ball bearing turbo. If you see where I took off on that run, I was parked on rumble strips (notice how the camera shakes as I pull onto the track before I get on throttle)... the entry speed distance there was at least 10mph. The best that M30 could do is keep pace once in the turns.

Edit edit: and the 4:40 one. looks like you are mad hugging the inside and making the jump from the first turn to the second turn took a lot of finangling. How did it go if/when you tried 3rd gear?

This is reason why the ebrake is such a great tool. I carried too shallow of an entry and was forced to transition too early. Without an ebrake, there was no way to correct my line and avoid dropping the inside tire on the rumble trips. Wasn't my best run by any means, but if it makes you happy, the Miata straightened out on the first corner and spun coming uphill. Oh, and he couldn't close up on the M30 either... even with all the ebraking I did.

[SamE30e]

Nice Erick!

I want to see some G-pro Hero cam shots from the C pillar lol.

[shiboujin]

Just because you clutch kick at that RPM doesn't mean your wheel speed is going to hit it. An up shift clutch kick should successfully place your wheel speed where a regular clutch kick would if done right. Its all about having a food that can place your RPMs successfully and a clutch foot with the right finesse.

E-brakes have their place, I just don't feel like it's where youre using it. you need to gain speed for that first corner, not scrub it off. A feint and throttle mashing would also be a successful maneuver but much harder than an up shift clutch kick.

Altho, im sure you could easily do what you want to do with a 3.73 lsd instead of the 3.25

And again. im not saying you suck. you are doing really well. I wasn't there and can't see half the things going on. Just my creative criticism.

[yberther]

nice sliding.

no r3v sticker :(

[Erick]

Just because you clutch kick at that RPM doesn't mean your wheel speed is going to hit it. An up shift clutch kick should successfully place your wheel speed where a regular clutch kick would if done right. Its all about having a food that can place your RPMs successfully and a clutch foot with the right finesse. And again. im not saying you suck. you are doing really well. I wasn't there and can't see half the things going on. Just my creative criticism.

My point is that I don't understand your criticism, nor the explanation you just gave. Clutch kicking at the redline won't do anything if you're staying in the same gear.

Now, upshifting, which you basically mean changing gears without lifting the gas pedal for the "clutch kick" effect, is a different story. You say it needs "finesse". You gotta have a LOT of that to pull it off. When you upshift like that two things will happen:

(Disclaimer: Will get wordy.... anyone not so interested skip to the bottom for the conclusion)

1-) Your car will not have the power to keep the rear end out, the clutch will engage and drop your RPMs. The motor will not be able to bring it back up and you'll straighten out. Happened to me a million times at Moroso when I had my laggy turbo setup.

2-) Your car has the power to keep the rear end out, but now you're wheels are spinning at the redline, about 35-50mph of wheel speed higher than your actual speed. At something like this, especially on semi-trailing arm suspension, your rear end will slingshot outwards. Now either A-) you're going to have too much angle, slow down too much, and do a lot of correcting, looking very ugly and unpredictable, or B-) you're going to hold a shallow angle to allow the car to close the gap between your actual speed and your wheel speed, so the car can become more controllable. If you pull this off, you'll be going a LOT faster and it'll look smooth, but it takes at least a bit of time to have both speeds come close together.

My M30 with the 3.25 would probably end up in option 1. Unless I basically kill all my angle, I might be able to pull option 2B. And then (at Homestead) I would have to instantly slam my brakes and come back to 2nd because the next turn is right there.

In a perfect world where all cars have ideal suspensions and unlimited power, your ideas would probably be a lot more feasible. But you "run what you brung" and make the best out of it.

But the whole point is simple. Was my drifting on point for my car? Far from it... but you're just trying to find any excuse to avoid the use of an ebrake, as if it was some sort of dildo covered with AIDS.

D1 uses ebrakes like theres no tomorrow, even for entries. Don't fear it, just learn how to use it. Start mixing it with a clutch kick then ebrake. There's a million possibilities once you find out an ebrake isn't just a tool that serves no other purpose than "slow you down".

- Erick

[shiboujin]

I'm not saying you shouldn't use an E-brake. D1 guys use it all the time because they have insane entry speeds and decreasing radius corners. The video I saw had similar radiused corners, uphill drifts, and a slow start entry. To me, that means you need to be going faster to be able to link the whole thing.

I agree with your explanation of everything but "but now you're wheels are spinning at the redline,"

When you clutch kick, your wheel speed increases to try to match the revs you clutch kicked at. But, if you rev the motor to (EG here) 6k, drop the clutch, then let off the gas, you can get the revs to around 3k or 4k to keep it out. It takes a second for the wheel speed to "catch up" to the revs and you can quickly let off so that it doesn't fully get the speed you were originally kicking at.

You can also multiple clutch kick. Kick once, press the clutch in and either let it out slowly for your new speed or kick again to get the rear out more.

Ideally, I would want you in third before the corner but that doesn't seem possible. I'm not saying E-braking is bad. I'm saying in this situation, it isn't ideal. You haven't or have barely gained enough speed for the corner and you are using it up to E-brake. I'm sure you can do the corner in third with some more weight transfer and a well placed clutch kick into or from third.

[red911turbo]

I love the 3 piece modern lines.
That's all I have to say, Cheers!!!

[bataangpinoy]

the sound of the m30 suits the color of your e30.....

demonic!!!!

[Jesse30]

car looks good man. but it seems like you need a 3.73 ;)

[Jesse30]

p.s. leave everything as it is but put your car on the floor man haha

[Erick]

These new springs need to be driven on... it's "technically" the same height as my old springs, so the difference shows how used the old ones were. The front perches are all the way down. The rears can go down a bit but it'll only give crazy inverse rake.

45 series tires are also to blame. :p

[pilotskillse30]

good run dude!

[kamotors]

looks great

[wolfgangstbd]

Sounds like you either need more power or a lower gear ratio. I'm still sure you could manage a shift up clutch kick from second into third. It wouldn't be easy but possible. I'm not a fan of the E-brake so I'm biased. I will do anything to avoid using it.

Edit: at the 4 minute mark. See how the miata gets away from you towards the second turn? I think he's carrying more speed. Third gear SEEMS possible but you might not have the power for it. *Shrugs* just my stab at it.

Edit edit: and the 4:40 one. looks like you are mad hugging the inside and making the jump from the first turn to the second turn took a lot of finangling. How did it go if/when you tried 3rd gear?

all the guys that are really good ive ever talked to at the track say you need to love your ebrake haha. realistically your gonna need it for alot of tech turns..

Erick your lookin good out there! what size steering wheel are you running?

[xlr8rbob]

im lovin it.

m30s FTMFW.

i think youll be extremely happy with the chip+cam+tranny set-up.