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[AbsorbantNut]

This car will be utter shit if you cut out the metal bracing between the rear seat and trunk and dont replace it with something. If you leave it open you will have body flex out the wazoo. And Good luck with an automatic s14, never knew they made them:D

[chadthestampede]

OP I suggest contacting Japandrew73 for all your frame cutting needs.

[xwill112x]

I understand that some E30 owners who can't afford even a US spec M3 might try to feel good by cutting down E36 M3 owners like Tom, but that is all you are doing - trying to feel good.

I drove "accident"'s E30 325is, and I can definitely see why some people say E30 cars are more fun to drive. It was awesome. But don't hate on newer/faster M3s by spewing this type of crap.

umm no.

e36 m3's are dime a dozen. if you want a real m3, get an e30 m3, if you want a DD, get a e36 m3. weree not cutting him down just to "feel good either." maybe if he didnt have retarded plans, and retarded actions, then maybe we wouldnt hate. if you didnt know (you dont), verts have enough chassis flex as is. he is making it worse. if you didnt know (you dont), e30 auto's suck, hard. all of this combined is going to make a car that wont perform well.

get informed or gtfo.

[Farbin Kaiber]

An e36 m3 is a increased displacement 328iS with a body kit.

[Schnitzer318is]

An e36 m3 is a increased displacement 328iS with a body kit.

x2...

Still a good motor, but nothing special. Only special e36 M engine is the euro S50/S52 (not sure if they had both).

Again, still an awesome engine... but a lot of the e30's on this board sell for more than e36 m3's. That should tell you something about how "special" these cars can be.

[nme36]

x2...

Still a good motor, but nothing special. Only special e36 M engine is the euro S50/S52 (not sure if they had both).

Again, still an awesome engine... but a lot of the e30's on this board sell for more than e36 m3's. That should tell you something about how "special" these cars can be.

It isn't though, different suspension, hubs, brakes, etc...

obviously you guys know nothing about the E36 chassis so you'd do well to stop embarrassing yourself by posting about it.

Some E30s on this board sell for more than some E36 M3s that were not well taken care of, not maintained, or need massive work.

An E30 in that state would be worth about $1000 unless it's an M3.

I don't necessarily agree with what Tom is doing with his Vert, but you bashing his E36 M3 just makes you look stupid.

I'm sure he plans on adding suspension braces and firming up the chassis if he is going to use it on the track.

I agree with the person who said S14 isn't the best bang for buck, but it's a cool motor if you can afford it. Obviously no matter what he does to the car it won't be faster than or handle as well as his M3 (since it's an E30) so that should tell you right away he is aiming for a unique/preference based project.

[nme36]

An e36 m3 is a increased displacement 328iS with a body kit.

If someone puts an S14 in a normal E30 does it make it an M3?

If someone removed the S14 from an M3 and put in an S50B32 or S50B32 would it not be an M3 anymore?

Your answers to these as well as common sense should tell you that your statement is just trying to make you feel good about not owning one of the cars.

Right now I own both a 328is (in the process of being sold to an E30 owner who wants a faster/more reliable car) and an M3 and I have driven both on their limits and have disassembled the suspension and braking systems on both cars so I think I would know.

[nme36]

umm no.

trashed e36 m3's I still can't afford are dime a dozen in my dreamworld. if you want an original m3 as a classic car, overpay the $20,000 it costs. If you want a fast car that out handles anything you can get for the money, get a e36 m3. we're not cutting him down just to "feel good either." maybe if he didnt have plans I don't agree with, and actions I don't agree with, then maybe we wouldnt hate. If I had a clue, I would realize that verts have enough chassis flex as is but he can easily firm up the chassis by welding in supports. You probably agree, e30 auto's suck, hard. all of this combined is going to make a car that might not perform as well as the OP thinks.

get informed or gtfo.

Fixed for you.

I almost bought an E30 as a project car just for the pure fun factor instead of my M3, they're great cars. You guys trashing on people's newer/faster cars just makes people think you're morons though.

[freeride53]

wtf, you want a track car, out of an automatic convertible? whaaaat? If I was you, I'd start bracing that bitch up before you are left with a disfigured cabriolet. I have seen a few track worthy e30 cabbies, but they are done up properly.

[Farbin Kaiber]

If someone puts an S14 in a normal E30 does it make it an M3?

If someone removed the S14 from an M3 and put in an S50B32 or S50B32 would it not be an M3 anymore?

Your answers to these as well as common sense should tell you that your statement is just trying to make you feel good about not owning one of the cars.

Right now I own both a 328is (in the process of being sold to an E30 owner who wants a faster/more reliable car) and an M3 and I have driven both on their limits and have disassembled the suspension and braking systems on both cars so I think I would know.

1.) Moreso than a USDM e36 "m3"

2.) Nope.

And, your "new member to try to come on here and back someone up shit" will not end up well, let me warn you now.

I understand you are an e36 fanboi, but that is okay, you will come around one day, and I'll still be here to knock your dick in the dirt.

[SeriousBusiness]

Hey OP:






Oh man, this thread is great and I was trying to identify with the OP on having something unique and different until he mentioned he couldn't (and didn't want to) learn how to drive a manual shift. You are a lost cause sir.

Burn your M3, for its a complete disgrace to the badge. Give your cabby to one of us so we can do it correctly.

[nme36]

1.) Moreso than a USDM e36 "m3"

2.) Nope.

And, your "new member to try to come on here and back someone up shit" will not end up well, let me warn you now.

I understand you are an e36 fanboi, but that is okay, you will come around one day, and I'll still be here to knock your dick in the dirt.

lol, sorry e-tough guy.

If you're the kind of retard that thinks the only thing that makes an M3 a good car is the engine then you're not worth discussing cars with anyway.

I'm not an E36 fan boy, I love all good cars, including E30s, and I'd love to own an E30 M3 someday...but you guys trying to trash someone's faster car paints the (poor) quality of your character immediately.

If that is really your attitude you belong on s14.net where it's basically a big circle jerk of people getting off on the classical value of their stock/original E30 M3s rather than the value of the car as a sports/performance car.

Tom: Damnit man stop admitting to people that you prefer auto over manual, it would make it much easier to defend your projects if you didn't do that.

I didn't create a r3v account just to defend an e30 cabrio project, I just saw some typical fan boy "omg the US M3 isn't an M3" bs and decided now was as good a time as any.

[SeriousBusiness]

Too bad the E36 M3 isn't a fast car. Especially considering an E30 with swap and suspension (which is how much you would pay for a stock E36 M) will probably outperform them in every aspect.

[nme36]

Too bad the E36 M3 isn't a fast car. Especially considering an E30 with swap and suspension (which is how much you would pay for a stock E36 M) will probably outperform them in every aspect.

Clearly you've never driven one :)

My perfect BMW would be an E30 sized car with an S50B30 euro engine and the 5-link suspension setup from the E36 M3, as well as the front suspension setup from the E36 M3 (where the sway bar connects directly to the strut). Add in the steering rack from a Z3...mmm

The E30's lack of a true independent rear suspension setup prevents it from out performing E36 cars with similar mods.

[Schnitzer318is]

It isn't though, different suspension, hubs, brakes, etc...

I was talking engine specifically... don't remember mentioning anything about the chassis/suspension.

And just FYI... not only are there cars on here that sell for well over what an good e36 m3 sells for (~$9000 if mint), but there are much faster cars too.

Hell my turbo 4 pot is faster than a stock e36m3 by a decent amount.

I'm glad you have love for your car, but representing it as a "faster," "more reliable," and better car is a bit off base.

And you assuming people on this board haven't owned e36's is not very mature either. I've owned 2 of them. A 325i and a 328is. It's a decent car, but not as fun to drive, or as well built as the e30.

Look, there is no reasoning with this guy... can we just get the ban stick out? I know Farbin insinuated it... but I'm just gonna say it.