BPG Rat Trap Video. m50 e30 m3. burnout contest.

[Mtriple]

"spoken like a true purist...

Running out of supporting arguments, so now we are going to attack drivers skill?

Classy..."

I said "people need more power to back up the lack of driving skill"...

Did I attack your skill? Jesus.... It is a general statement....

What supporting arguments should I come up with?

This is not only regarding a S14 motor or an E30 M3... I'd rather see a driver in a underpowered car drive the shit out of a car than one that can go really fast on the straights.... you guys are making the argument that my argument is a purist view...

The M50 motor is cheap, great and reliable... wonderful. Do I care? It's his car and he can do what he every want to do with it...

and by the way I was trying to be funny with Robert by saying he is a poo flinger...


"Oh well, there are a few people in the world of BMWs with the balls to put a _50 in the E30 m3 without a S in front of it and still call themselves a BMW ethusiant. . ."

Robert,

It doesn't take balls.... it takes money..... There is no skill in making a car fast... it takes money...

You guys are too much to handle......

Anyone else?

"(a number of local people have had to rebuild S14 a couple times, on the street or on the track) I don't trust them."

Well why did they rebuild them? Because of engine failure, driver failure, break in failure, mechanical failure? Details, I would like to know why or how a fresh engine would have to be rebuilt unless it was put back together incorrectly...

Did I say you "attacked my skill"? My comment was as much a generalization as yours.

Chill, you have no reason to get your undies in a bunch.

[///M Powered]

that m50 sounded bad ass

[UNHCLL]

Do all "Insane" race cars keep a 40lb+ sunroof slider/carrier assembly mounted to the roof for better handling?

;-)




Oh and Heeter you ignorant little kid... (;) )
One of our sponsored JS Racers took 1st in every single JS race he entered this year.... with *gasp* an S14 under the hood. He also succeeded in setting lap records with this "inferior" S14 car.
I'll even include a picture of the car prior to him becoming our customer...
(Happend while the car was being used by a friend on-track)




Another one of our customers, also set multiple track records running with COM... again *gasp* in an S14 powered car. He took 1st place in ST2 in COM overall.


Please keep your un-informed babbles about motorswaps, club racing, and driver skill to yourself for the time being. You've not yet reached the "expereinced driver" threshold, no matter you've done 4(?) HPDE's.....


:grin:

[Bimmerfanatik]

Children, play nice. This thread is teetering on being a shit fest. However, there are lots of good points being brought up by everyone here - from Heeter to Bavarian to Chris to MTriple - so continue and keep the personal comments and attacks out of this, and we'll have ourselves a healthy thread.

:up:

[grapedrink]

That was pretty cool.

[rwh11385]

Mike, I meant it takes balls to do that swap because you have to put up with all this bullshit from the "purists" that get on your case.

Chris, we're talking JP, not JS. I don't know if a M50 E30 M3 would even be classified as a JS car. And not only that but I only said the M50 may be faster. It's not necessarily proven yet, nor disproven. Only Mike seems to think the driver is weak because he believes it is faster. I just was saying it would much more cost-efficient to be running a M50 in a racecar than a S14. . .

Therefore, Langsten, I didn't say the S14 was slower so hold your paternally-inspired breath. Mike was the one who implied the M50 would be faster.

Mike, one of the a CCA guy's friend has had to rebuild his S14 twice, because after the first one, something happened and it blew up again. I didn't get the exact reason, just the warning to stay away from them.

Then Simon's went out at least once.

And my friend's 2.5L needed to be rebuilt.

I'd rather see a driver in a underpowered car drive the shit out of a car than one that can go really fast on the straights.... you guys are making the argument that my argument is a purist view...

The M50 motor is cheap, great and reliable... wonderful. Do I care? It's his car and he can do what he every want to do with it...

If you'd rather see drivers race with skill than power or upgrades, watch or participate in stock classes (hahaha, well in theory) or spec classes. People are going to make their cars faster in prepared and mod.


Apparantly you do care, or you wouldn't have posted to begin with and complain. . .

[UNHCLL]

Mike, one of the a CCA guy's friend has had to rebuild his S14 twice, because after the first one, something happened and it blew up again. I didn't get the exact reason, just the warning to stay away from them.

Then whoever is building the motors has no idea what they are doing???? Which is a shame... S14's are not timebomb motors unless the builders dont know what they are doing.... :(

I'm not going to fight with you Heeter. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I only made the JS points because you reference JS earlier.

We also have a sponsored racer in JP in an S14 M3. Also set a lap record. (EDIT: 2 CENTS FOR SCOTTY!)


All my Hugs and dope slap's Heeter. ;-)

[Bimmerfanatik]

Boys, last warning. Keep it on topic and don't let it get personal, or the thread goes bye bye.

Chris, is that for me? :)

[rwh11385]

Only reference was because I was talking about Simon and his freshly rebuilt engine. (speaking about costs related to S14s)

VSR sponsors Paton?

I didn't even start that argument about saying which would be faster, but if someone is so curious: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...94&postcount=8
Talking about JP E30 S14 M3 versus E36 325/328. obviously it's a little mix and match


Of course everyone could bench race all day until their faces turned blue, but we couldn't see anything for sure unless someone does it in real life. I'll be watching how the rat racer performs. Won't it be side by side with Paton's JP S14 car? So it should be easy to see.
From bf.c thread, "I've never seen a really well prepared E30 M3 in prepared yet so hopefully there will be one coming with Paton, I suspect so."

[UNHCLL]

Nope, Not Paton. Sorry, dont know who that is off-hand.


Anyhoo, back on topic... lots of burnt rubber, donuts and some crazy rapper in the background....

:D

And yes Scotty, its for you! I have amended the post to reflect the most recent deposit into your account!

[Bimmerfanatik]

And yes Scotty, its for you! I have amended the post to reflect the most recent deposit into your account!

:woowoo:

I'm making BILLZ YO!

[A_325i]

just because someone swapped the engine and made there car faster how can you just assume they have no skill? lol thats just ignorant

[Digitalwave]

Both engines have ~190hp, I doubt its much faster.

[hydrospeed2000]

I'm going to be the one to say that this video is pointless....

To bad the owner of the M3 didn't stick with the S14 motor and tried to learn how to drive a car w/o torque...

Hate to say but the S14 is exactly what it was designed to be, the poor mans rocket.... 4 cylinders SUCK.

I know. I have one.

[Bavarian3]

"Hate to say but the S14 is exactly what it was designed to be, the poor mans rocket.... 4 cylinders SUCK."

That is why BMW Motorsport won many races with this motor... and it was based off the lovely M10 engine! And the S38 engine... and the F1 engine...

Ignorance is bliss....let me guess you need more power right?

And if it is just a M50 motor....(I thought it had a bit more power than 190hp)... what a waste.... extra weight eh?? Who is going to tell me that the M50 doesn't weight more than a S14 motor?