Hello, I'm Ray.

[Todd Black 88]

+1


Pretty disappointed with how this thread has gone. And you all wonder why we don't have any girls posting here.

In all honesty, I don't think anyone wonders why at all.

[ST1G]

I know I've never wondered.

[zumjosh]

And we wonder why women become feminists...

[Dj Buttchug]

Miss Rachel,





Where are you my heavenly blessed beauty of peace?

[ST1G]

And we wonder why women become feminists...

I'm discovering a lot about myself in this thread. I didn't know I even thought, wondered and pondered about all these things.

[FredK]

[StereoInstaller1]

So I haven't been around this forum very long and I do know that this crowd promotes shenanigans, but this is fucked up and unnecessary. Very off-putting.

Is this how you treat women in real life too?

Ryan

Gotta agree.

+1


Pretty disappointed with how this thread has gone. And you all wonder why we don't have any girls posting here.

Yes, that is absolutely true, but once you scrape through the surface, there is a core of well adjusted grown men who basically ignore all this bullshit.

Just for clarity's sake, I don't really think anyone wonders why women rarely post here. It's pretty evident that with all the E peen in here, testosterone poisoning is at epidemic levels. However, it is a LOT less than it was 7 or 8 years ago, believe me.

The shitty part is when the admins tried to "clean up" R3V, it failed. People whined and bitched like you would not believe. This forum was built by (mostly) teenaged boys under the control of Jordan, it's beloved original tyrant. The misogynistic aspect of the culture that developed was the least of the worries, especially before the "Politics and Religion" section was formed. R3V has been through several changes as its core members aged, but ultimately, the same attitudes prevail. The adults watch the kids play, and step in to shut them down if it gets too far out of hand.

There have been some issues in which real people have been hurt in real life by this forum's members, so the admins here have very loose controls, but still adequately managed to prevent issues like those in the past. Believe me, it's not an easy job, which is why James clearly states that this is not a democracy...it's R3V.

Luke

[2mAn]

^^"Have a nice day" What a jerk OMG

ITS HER FAULT!!!!! :rofl:

edit: dammit Luke!... I was responding to the youtube video

[zumjosh]

Yes, that is absolutely true, but once you scrape through the surface, there is a core of well adjusted grown men who basically ignore all this bullshit.

Just for clarity's sake, I don't really think anyone wonders why women rarely post here. It's pretty evident that with all the E peen in here, testosterone poisoning is at epidemic levels. However, it is a LOT less than it was 7 or 8 years ago, believe me.

The shitty part is when the admins tried to "clean up" R3V, it failed. People whined and bitched like you would not believe. This forum was built by (mostly) teenaged boys under the control of Jordan, it's beloved original tyrant. The misogynistic aspect of the culture that developed was the least of the worries, especially before the "Politics and Religion" section was formed. R3V has been through several changes as its core members aged, but ultimately, the same attitudes prevail. The adults watch the kids play, and step in to shut them down if it gets too far out of hand.

There have been some issues in which real people have been hurt in real life by this forum's members, so the admins here have very loose controls, but still adequately managed to prevent issues like those in the past. Believe me, it's not an easy job, which is why James clearly states that this is not a democracy...it's R3V.

Luke

True but this doesn't excuse "teenage boys" from acting like imbeciles towards women. Nearly every thread I've read here started by a female E30 enthusiast has resulted in the same bullshit that's going on. And then they (the girls) just stop posting. Isn't it getting a little old? Alright, I think I've exhausted what I've been meaning to say. Time to sit back and let the thread kill itself like all the others have.

[Todd Black 88]

"100 cases of street harassment in 10hrs........"

While I admit some of those folks were creeeeeeepy, some guys said some horrible things like...............hello and have a nice evening. Obvious harassment.

[indecline]

You're all forgiven. Rachael is a merciful god.

[ST1G]

True but this doesn't excuse "teenage boys" from acting like imbeciles towards women. .

R3v is full of people treating each other like imbeciles. It's only different because instead of it being about a modification to a car, or stupid decision, it's about her gender. This behavior is no different than the rest of the internet. She can choose to participate or not participate just as well as a man can. She does not need special protections from this just because she is a woman.

Now, that said harassment outside of r3v, or on r3v via personal channels would be inappropriate (pm's, or emails..ect.). R3v and the internet is a public forum where you can choose to participate publicly, or privately. It was her choice to make it known publicly that she was a woman, and she seems to have defended herself well. She was even forewarned against such decision and she made a rational choice to move forward anyway.

[Silver Wagon]

R3v is full of people treating each other like imbeciles. It's only different because instead of it being about a modification to a car, or stupid decision, it's about her gender. This behavior is no different than the rest of the internet. She can choose to participate or not participate just as well as a man can. She does not need special protections from this just because she is a woman.

Now, that said harassment outside of r3v, or on r3v via personal channels would be inappropriate (pm's, or emails..ect.). R3v and the internet is a public forum where you can choose to participate publicly, or privately. It was her choice to make it known publicly that she was a woman, and she seems to have defended herself well. She was even forewarned against such decision and she made a rational choice to move forward anyway.

so what you are saying is since other people are complete douches then we can too? that just isn't good enough in my opinion.

public or not, why can 't we hold ourselves to a higher standard as enthusiasts? gender shouldn't have anything to do with someones response if we are being civil with each other.

[Wschnitz]

the misogynistic aspect of the culture that developed was the least of the worries, especially before the "politics and religion" section was formed.
Luke

oh the misogyny the terror, female oppression!

[E30 Wagen]

Yep, it never fails. Been around here for 10 years now and it always ends the same - a few immature jack asses (you know who you are) can't seem to handle the presence of a girl.

It's a shame, she's a real enthusiast with one of the cleanest 318is on here. I was looking forward to seeing how that steering wheel turned out.