My runs on alcohol, like me...

[Farbin Kaiber]

I honestly think e85 is going to be phased out in several years as the technology for hydrogen based cars is probably going to be the way all car manufactures actually go with in the future.

I have heard in conversation that e85 is an "election season" sidetracker that will vaporize soon as well.

[rwh11385]

How is hydrogen going to be phased in more easily than ethanol?

How many hydrogen pumps are nationwide?

[E30 Wagen]

I'm all for change too, but if Chevy cars are going to be leading the way... No thanks.

[rwh11385]

When does the value of e85/e100 offset the savings on a national level from fossil fuels to balance rising food/production costs? When it is used as "Heating Oil Alternative"?

We're just seeing short run changes in food prices. There no proof production and labor and land allocation can't go back to normal or even reduce prices in the long run. Assuming the short term substitution will continue on indefinitely is highly doubtful.

[rwh11385]

I'm all for change too, but if Chevy cars are going to be leading the way... No thanks.

actually, it's more their Swedish partners

[Il Duce]

Bender > Heeter

[FredK]

I'm just waiting for Heeter to jump out and say SIKE!

[Turf1600]

I honestly think e85 is going to be phased out in several years as the technology for hydrogen based cars is probably going to be the way all car manufactures actually go with in the future.

Thank you. Hence my previous statement - buying a flex fuel car is premature and useless.

PS - I still think his parents made him buy it and he's trying to justify.

[atomic]

How is hydrogen going to be phased in more easily than ethanol?

How many hydrogen pumps are nationwide?

I didn't say anything about hydrogen being phased in more easily than ethanol. As it will take a huge effort to put a infrastructure in. But since there isn't any carbon bi-products from the cars and all it produces is water, I just see that being the fuel in the end that will be chosen by all car manufactures.

http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/general/basics.asp

Oh and there now is 122 stations that carry it in the USA and Canada, with many more that are planned as well.

http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/general/fuelingSearch.asp#null

[Farbin Kaiber]

GM is overzealously attempting to jump to the lead of the pack after failing with the EV1. Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Ford, have taken footholds in their own corners of the "Next-Generation" of propulsion methods. Now, if you watch the TV ad's GM is making an all out assult on any/all angles so as to get a foothold somewhere and then market their strongest spot on the market. That's how huge Inc.'s do it by shotgun spray and then whatever they kill they take. I say 4 of the 7 "Option's" they are touting will fall off in the next 48 months.

[Turf1600]

To me it's like HD DVDS vs Blu Ray. I'm going to wait and see what takes over. I feel sorry for the people that bought into HD DVD bigtime - Just like I feel sorry for heeter buying a flex fuel impala.

[bostonbmw]

Sold the track rat E30 and used it as a down payment on a demo Impala and will be sipping on E85 from now on. This will be much better when I start working... and it's pretty neat.

Ethanol is retarded !!!!!!!!!!!

[Farbin Kaiber]

Guesses on how many of those 31,701 miles ran on e85? Does the car tell you? GM dash's even tell you how many hours are run on a car, I know they do nifty stuff.

[rwh11385]

I didn't say anything about hydrogen being phased in more easily than ethanol. As it will take a huge effort to put a infrastructure in. But since there isn't any carbon bi-products from the cars and all it produces is water, I just see that being the fuel in the end that will be chosen by all car manufactures.

http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/general/basics.asp

Oh and there now is 122 stations that carry it in the USA and Canada, with many more that are planned as well.

http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/g...earch.asp#null

So what's the point of waiting for hydrogen? FFV are capable backwards and pumps are reasonably easy to change to create the infrastructure.

Not saying someday it may not be hydrogen that is the long run champ, but for the time being E85 is now and better than gas and feasible.

[rwh11385]

Guesses on how many of those 31,701 miles ran on e85? Does the car tell you? GM dash's even tell you how many hours are run on a car, I know they do nifty stuff.

very little probably since the car is not optimized for it, but at least GM is putting it out there. there is an option. people aren't sitting on their hands waiting for the next big thing to come out.