My runs on alcohol, like me...

[JasonC]

Meh, it's just a normal car to jump in and drive.

[Dave]

are you bringing this beast to Putnam next month?

[Farbin Kaiber]

very little probably since the car is not optimized for it, but at least GM is putting it out there. there is an option. people aren't sitting on their hands waiting for the next big thing to come out.

I laugh at all the flexfuel suburbans running around with bimbo mothers driving the children everywhere and "claiming" their eco-friendlyness due to the yellow and green sticker on their rig. Just another way to make people feel like they are really doing something when they really arn't at all.

Good thing I was sitting on my hands with the Blu-Ray/HD battle.






And you said it yourself. FlexFuel is in Heeter's un-sat on hands.

[atomic]

So what's the point of waiting for hydrogen? FFV are capable backwards and pumps are reasonably easy to change to create the infrastructure.

Not saying someday it may not be hydrogen that is the long run champ, but for the time being E85 is now and better than gas and feasible.

You have just reiterated what I have said. That for now it is e85 but in the future, whether it be 4 years or 15 years or more, but I see hydrogen being the fuel chosen by all car manufactures in the end.

Even Chevy and Ford (to name a few) are already showing commercials with hydrogen based cars and Chevy has even rolled out a suv in the first quarter of 2008 to test the marketability of the fuel based suv. I just am reading between the lines and it seems the manufactures are really pushing to go this way. Either way it goes it will take many many years to phase it in as what will happen with all the 20+ year old cars that run on gas??? Not everyone can just go out and buy a new car because they have to just to be able to fill it up with e85, hydrogen, or whatever the final new fuel choice will be in the end.

[rwh11385]

You have just reiterated what I have said. That for now it is e85 but in the future, whether it be 4 years or 15 years or more, but I see hydrogen being the fuel chosen by all car manufactures in the end.

Even Chevy and Ford (to name a few) are already showing commercials with hydrogen based cars and Chevy has even rolled out a suv in the first quarter of 2008 to test the marketability of the fuel based suv. I just am reading between the lines and it seems the manufactures are really pushing to go this way. Either way it goes it will take many many years to phase it in as what will happen with all the 20+ year old cars that run on gas??? Not everyone can just go out and buy a new car because they have to just to be able to fill it up with e85, hydrogen, or whatever the final new fuel choice will be in the end.

agreed.

Who says one has to phase out gas? It will still have to be produced to make E85. It could come a time when there is only E100 but doubtful. Gas, E85, E100 makes more sense than just no gas period.

And it's not like we haven't forced people to adapt finally to new technology when we're going all digital TV soon. We'll just see but more pumps with E85 and better products using it is the path I see and am joining.

[Il Duce]

http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/

[EtaSport]

You people do know that it takes more energy to create the hydrogen than what you can get out of it.. Everyone is freaking screwed no matter what happens.. Gas will be $4+/gallon, and will keep going up until we can finally go up north and drill. It will take a long time before things change.

[Larry e30]

You people do know that it takes more energy to create the hydrogen than what you can get out of it.. Everyone is freaking screwed no matter what happens.. Gas will be $4+/gallon, and will keep going up until we can finally go up north and drill. It will take a long time before things change.

Yep, the future is solar energy

[Farbin Kaiber]

http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/

I like you Mr. Il Duce. That is all.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I like you Mr. Il Duce. That is all.

Just watched the movie again, it was a good watch.


On a side note.

GM = Green Motors

http://www.triplepundit.com/pages/general-motors-quest-to-become-003083.php

[Il Duce]

I like you Mr. Il Duce. That is all.

:) good documentary for sure.

[Farbin Kaiber]

http://www.nbc11.com/slideshow/technology/16200868/detail.html

There ya go drunky.

http://www.biofuelsjournal.com/articles/E_Fuel_Corporation_Unveils_MicroFueler_Home_Ethanol_Production_Machine-56970.html

E-Fuel Corporation Unveils MicroFueler Home Ethanol Production Machine
Date Posted: May. 08, 2008

Los Gatos, CA—The world’s first home ethanol system, which allows consumers to create their own ethanol and pump it directly into their cars, was unveiled April 8 by the E-Fuel Corporation.

The revolutionary EFuel100 MicroFueler™ is the first product that allows anyone to reduce their dependency on oil, greatly diminish their carbon footprint and produce fuel for under $1.00 per gallon.

The MicroFueler is a leading edge product that allows consumers to create ethanol, simply and safely, with the readily available ingredients of sugar, yeast and water, and a standard household 110-220 AC power supply.

Cars running on sugar-based ethanol produce 85% fewer carbon emissions than gasoline.

Businesses, such as breweries, bars and restaurants can even use discarded alcohol beverages to create ethanol, for as little as $0.10 per gallon.

“E-Fuel will have a profound impact on the way we obtain and consume fuel, not unlike the paradigm shift that occurred in the 80s from the mainframe computer to the PC,” said Tom Quinn, E-Fuel Founder and CEO.

“Just as the PC brought desktop computing to the home, E-Fuel will bring the filling station to the home.

"Making local sugar-based ethanol fuel production possible, E-Fuel can solve the commercial ethanol transportation and pump station problems while providing consumers lower cost fuel due to micro efficiencies.”

The portable MicroFueler unit houses the same consumer-friendly LCD touch screen interface and hose pumping system found at the corner gas station, so consumers can produce where they consume, eliminating energy waste and saving dollars.

The retractable pumping hose extends up to 50 feet, eliminating the need to situate the unit directly beside the household vehicle.

With its breakthrough membrane technology, E-Fuel has made an industrial process possible on a much smaller scale, and without dangerous combustion processes.

Additionally, the MicroFueler has achieved an 80% power improvement over commercial ethanol manufacturers, thus raising the bar of the renewable fuel standard for carbon reduction.

“Henry Ford started the automobile revolution using ethanol, predicting that this renewable and accessible fuel it would become the ‘fuel of the future,’” said Mr. Quinn.

“If not for the Prohibition laws in the 1920s and the subsequent rise of the oil industry, ethanol may never have lost its public appeal.

"E-Fuel will deliver on Ford’s prediction, and enable consumers to bypass the costly oil infrastructure and their reliance on fossil fuels,” said Mr. Quinn.

MicroFueler Availability

E-Fuel is now accepting orders for the MicroFueler here.

The first shipments will begin in the fourth quarter of 2008.

The EFuel100 MicroFueler is available in the United States at $9,995.00, and all initial orders require a deposit.

The MicroFueler will also be distributed to China and Brazil.

For U.S. buyers there are several local and national rebates available, and more importantly, E-Fuel will be introducing a Carbon Credit Program to offset costs and assist in reducing carbon emissions.

Consumers and interested resellers can also attend E-Fuel sponsored workshops to learn more about the MicroFueler operation.

Complete details on pricing, availability, the E-Fuel Carbon Credit Program and local workshops can be found here.

For more information, call 646-356-8312.

[george graves]

Die thread! Die!

[Farbin Kaiber]

GM Can't do it right...

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/05/26/no-30k-chevy-volt-without-congress-help/

A scene from "GM project AutoHeaven" the new film...


EV1: "What's that looking at my Charging Substation?"
E85: "EV1, this is Volt, your lost son."
EV1: "Well, at least we won't be so bored, That Allante never talks to us."
Volt: " I don't belong here, the US Government is giving $7,000.00 tax breaks for me..."
E85: "Too bad they rushed your debut because of the Tesla."
Volt: "Doomed?"

[rwh11385]

National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition

FYI Newsletter Special Edition: May 27, 2008

Food vs. Fuel


I appreciate the amount of attention that E85 is getting and how it will help our nation get off of foreign oil. My main concern is that the grains or other food products used to make the ethanol need to be used for food. There are already reports of worldwide shortages of food and increased cost as well. Are you aware of any methods to manufacture ethanol from non-food sources, and are they economically feasible. I have heard that the average car would consume as much fuel from corn in one week as a man would eat in one year. I know I could sleep better knowing that the "gas" in my car wasn't supposed to be someone's supper.

When ethanol is burned in an engine, what are the bi-products?

Thank You,
Jeff Martin

NEVC Response:

Thanks for your comments and for your support. An issue that we don’t see reported in the news media that is extremely important is that the use of corn to produce ethanol only uses the starch portion of the grain. 100% of the protein, minerals, and vitamins remain in the form of a wet or dry product referred to as “distillers grains”. This product is then shipped to feed lots for cattle, swine, and poultry.

Again, only the starch is used to produce ethanol. Starch is found in fescue, grass, and every other green stem that is found in a pasture. The terrible tragedy of human starvation is based on a shortage of protein, not starch……. Unfortunately, this is not reported by our media. Using corn to produce ethanol DOES NOT remove protein from the world’s limited supply, we only change the form of the protein from raw kernels to a more digestible matter.

I hope this addresses your concerns. Thanks again for your comments.