I want my vert to look like this

[B2702]

Get the springs re-set

[smonkbmw]

Vert specific sports lower 1.4"/.75". Race lowers 1.6"/1.5" (a little more on a vert, especially in the back). If the literature is correct.

thats a really conservative post. i didnt measure mine on my swap car, but the races bring it closer to 2"+.

whoever said that H&R race feels the same as GC coilovers is wrong. the GC's will have a rougher ride due to the fact that it uses much smaller and shorter linear race springs, especially if you buy their e30 specific kit which uses terrible spring rates (500/650).

i believe h&r race is 315/570.

[golde30]

(EDIT) Verts have the higher wheel arches like late model cars.

I ran H&R Race and Bilsteins on mine - do some searching and you should be able to find pics of it - it was pretty damn low - but tolerable for driving on normal roads.

Dave, your vert had a perfect stance with the H&R race springs, however JustinB's vert has a reverse rake stance with the same suspension...you sure you werent running some drop hats in front? or maybe some clever photoshopping action?? haha

i ask b/c i want to run H&R race springs, but i dont want the reverse rake look, it sucks teh ballz.

[CleanAzzE30z]

Nice. Classy.

Try posting something that helps next time. No one likes a uber scrote-tastically unhelpful comment as the one that was posted. No one asked what your personal thoughts and inquiries were on people who lowered their cars. But you jumped at the opportunity to come off as a used feminine hygiene product. You were treated as such. ;) Good day.



Mariano

[constructor]

yes those pics were after i cut the rear springs. I hope it comes out well for you. I was sad after we installed the springs. Good Luck. Otherwise the ride quality was not that harsh. Save and Go coilovers.

It sounds like the experience really sucked for you. I appreciate the fact that you are trying to protect me from the same pain. I am convinced. I cancelled my order and am going coilover.

Thank you

Constructor, still the hottest vert on the boards

I appreciate it! Hopefully it will get just a bit hotter.

[constructor]

because you are a tool.

im running ground controls with billy sports and i cut my stock hats and welded the new perch really low.

not even all the way down here

Sold! I love it. Do you mind if I PM you with some dumb questions? I want to get this right.

Thank you.

[smonkbmw]

if your going THAT low you might need one of these:

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=111469

[E30trash]

Sold! I love it. Do you mind if I PM you with some dumb questions? I want to get this right.

Thank you.

go for it dude, i didnt measure how low i relocated the perches, but there are a couple other things to address aswell, pm me

[E30trash]

if your going THAT low you might need one of these:
http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=111469

that wouldnt have really helped me at all man, did you see the other thread with the white cabby who cracked his pan with a skid plate?

[SpasticDwarf]

Cracking your pan won't happen if you're an observant driver; unless something completely unavoidable happens, which is un-likely.

My vote goes to GC's as well.
Mine are cranked all the way down here (:() and it wasn't quite as low as I wanted it... It looks WAY higher than it really was becuase of no front lip though.

Here's my car on them-

[Justin B]

Dave, your vert had a perfect stance with the H&R race springs, however JustinB's vert has a reverse rake stance with the same suspension...you sure you werent running some drop hats in front? or maybe some clever photoshopping action?? haha

i ask b/c i want to run H&R race springs, but i dont want the reverse rake look, it sucks teh ballz.

WTF man? I have no reverse rake. The rear wheel tucks harder than the front (because it's pretty level with the top of the tire) because I have low rear arches like all late model cars. That picture was taken VERY low and across the street so the car is angling up towards me, you can't see any of the top of my trunk lid, whereas you can see the top of it in the first picture. I gurantee if I took it at the same height/angle away, you wouldn't see that much gap in front. It's really not there that bad and doesn't exist.

You're going off the VW crowd definition of reverse rake, that is if the rear tire tucks at all more than the front. Frankly, I couldn't give a shit as long as it still looks okay as a whole. The rear of the car is exactly a HALF inch taller than the front in that picture -- measuring at the rocker in front of the rear tire and behind the front to the ground. Without spring pads it's dead even with the ground but the rear tucks WAY too hard and looks retarded. That's the problem with low rear arches. People who try to get rid of gap in the front, or dump the rear and still make it look okay, end up with some ridiculously stupid fucking insane looking RAKE. Not reverse rake, but straight-up-RAKE. The first picture in this thread is borderline overboard IMO. I can't stand cars that look like a snow plow belongs bolted up to the front of them.

My car is fine thanks very much.
Here's the latest picture of it after everything is quite settled.

That is still a very low picture, clearly. It is looking below the arch and above the tire appearing to create more gap. If you can imagine a line though, the tire is almost identically level with the top of the fender IIRC. I certainly can't fit my fingers straight in over the tire like it looks like I could in my first picture I posted. The rear tire is tucked in probably about 1/2 to MAYBE 3/4" including the tread. That's a perfectly acceptable stance to me, and nowheres near reverse rake.

[Justin B]

Oh, and I've considered a drop hat for the front for another quarter or half inch, but have entirely eliminated that idea unless I figure something else out. I don't plan on running stock wheels/tires forever, and could possibly lower the car a little depending on what tire size I choose later (but probably not), and I already scrape on speed bumps getting to work and over a friends driveway. I'd get straight STUCK if I was another half inch lower... lol

[E30trash]

Cracking your pan won't happen if you're an observant driver; unless something completely unavoidable happens, which is un-likely.

My vote goes to GC's as well.
Mine are cranked all the way down here (:() and it wasn't quite as low as I wanted it... It looks WAY higher than it really was becuase of no front lip though.

Here's my car on them-

yeah i wouldnt have cracked mine. except i had to take a detour down an unknown road during construction. also i hit reflectors with my oil pan, dont know if many people can say that

[jflip2002]

Cracking your pan won't happen if you're an observant driver; unless something completely unavoidable happens, which is un-likely.

Lol. So what if you have cracked... say... 8 of them?

[SpasticDwarf]

yeah i wouldnt have cracked mine. except i had to take a detour down an unknown road during construction. also i hit reflectors with my oil pan, dont know if many people can say that

Unknown roads usually fall into that category of unavoidable. I'm guessing you know every local pothole/dip/bump/highspot/lowspot/manhole/whatever in town though, eh? :)

As far as hitting reflectors... mine was close, but not that close. I only wish I had kept the car longenough to make that happen.
Soon enough with the e28 though. Gotta get my stance on.




Oh and if you've broken 8, well, you get a medal.