Brilliantrot 24v swap: BACK UNDER THE KNIFE!..Now with puppy content

[kingston]

240's suck
250's suck
260s are near indestructible.

Man, I wish that had been my experience. I know lots of guys out here
looking for G260s, as their's have failed.

What about a ZF box? Love the one on my S52

[TimKninja]

240's suck
250's suck
260s are near indestructible.

but if i where you id try to re-seal your 240 if it shifted fine and junk.

[Nick_S]

I forgot to mention - your engine bay was the reason I painted my engine the same colors for the e21. Also re-reading this since our Chump/Lemons ETA will probably be getting an M50NV this winter :)

Glad to know I inspired your color choice! I personally like the NV motors. Very simple but make decent power for a car like the E30. We'll see if I get this running.


Made some small progress today but also may have hit my first real hurdle with the project. It's been snowy and cold and I was alone so I couldn't push the car in to work on it so I decided to strip my M42 and start to part it out.
Fun.


Then I spent awhile cleaning up the G250 I've been planning on using. Lots of scrubbing and degreaser later it came out pretty well. Pulled the slave as it was going to be replaced the got the TOB off as it seemed stuck. Swapped my UUC short shifter on (PO mangled this thing up pretty good somehow). Popped a couple new bushings in and thought I was done. For fun I started running it through the gears and feels fine...however I noticed that only in 1st gear. I can turn the input shaft and hold the output shaft still and it clunks a bit. Almost like it's not fully in gear. I'm hoping it's not busted but gut feeling is it has a bad 1st gear.

Shift lever


fairly cleaned up and new stuff installed.


So after this little set back if you will. I thought, well maybe I'll just the G240. I had been having clutch slipping issues and suspected leaking oil. However after the trans sitting upright for about 5 minutes I'm pretty sure I found where the leak was from. Left a pretty huge puddle in a short amount of time.


So. My dilema now. Find a new G250 or 260...I really can't foresee ZF fitting into what is left of my budget. Or I could try to reseal the G240. It has a newer input shaft seal from when I had the clutch done last year though. Get the proper linkage and try to go that route? I'm not real sure what to do. I was hoping to have this back in the car next weekend but doesn't seem like that will happen. Poop.

[irish44j]

I forgot to mention - your engine bay was the reason I painted my engine the same colors for the e21. Also re-reading this since our Chump/Lemons ETA will probably be getting an M50NV this winter :)

[TimKninja]

DOnt move the stock booster over, that shits hack.

944 ATE Booster. use Car-part if you need too. Best option out there.

For exhaust i like running the Ebay Headers. Ive donbe it in both my swap cars . only thing is they tend to ethier touch the subframe or rattle on the CAB heat shield.

[NickL]

Awesome progress man. If It does come down to needing to modify the booster, I highly reccomend the 944 over moving it over a half inch.

[Nick_S]

Well, today was fun. Got my good friend Ryan to give me a hand and made some pretty good progress.

Starting point.


Didn't get a ton of pictures during as we were trying to get as much done in a limited time frame as we could. Unbolted the exhaust, the front section of the driveshaft, coolant hoses running to the heater core, the trans brace and undid the coolant hoses to the heater core.
Then we did this..




Came out with very little fuss. Degreased and cleaned the engine bay a bit. Didn't go crazy as this will never be a show car but I wanted it to look nice-ish. Still need to grind off a few unused brackets but that will come later.




Then my awesome friend Aaron who's shop I'm using stopped by to lend a hand and my brother showed up and snapped a pictures of us doing men like things. Me being the short kid with the beanie, Ryan being the kid not with a beanie.



Aaron doing his best to heckle as us we lowered it down.


Real funny.


Nearly there...


Almost!...




And boom goes the dynamite.


Test fitting. The transmission isn't on so it's just sitting on the engine mounts. And I could be wrong, but even pushed all the way back, it looks like the intake manifold will clear the booster with only having to shave the fins? It's close but doesn't look like it will hit. This is with the E36 engine arms and E28 green mounts. This would be ideal as I'd rather not move the booster over or buy a new one. I'll check again once the trans is mounted, hopefully next weekend.


This is basically where we left as we had to get back to Columbus. Really really excited to this in there finally. It hasn't really felt like I've started the swap till today. It was a great feeling setting the motor in place. Need to figure out what to do with the exhaust, if I'll need to modify the booster, connect the clutch and flywheel, mate the transmission, connect the driveshaft, run the harness and hopefully will have a running car again in the next few weeks! Although I know it will never be this simple.

[rudenate]

Haha I did the exact same thing when doing my swap. I had the new engine in but nothing was wired yet by the time I was going to leave the shop. I only then realized the windows were down and I had to roll the car outside.

[Nick_S]

The intake manifold is staying off the 24v till it's in place. As far as the clutch, it was listed for a 325i, hopefully no issues. We'll see.

[TimKninja]

Man sad to see that m42 go.

It will Always take longer then you think. Trust me lol.

It's also gonna be really hard to get a chain anywhere on the back of the engine with the intake manifold on. I usually remove it to get to the rear hoist mounting point when I remove/install a 24v

Also is that an M3 clutch ? Or did you order it for a 325i? I've been having a problem trying to order a Gripforce clutch for an e36 325i at work and it's been a shit show, they sent me a similar looking flywheel like what you have but they say it's for an M3 and may not fit the 325i, with the Getrag 250? Because the M3s have a slightly bigger flywheel .

[Nick_S]

UPDATE!!:

Made some good headway today at the shop. Got it ready to be pulled out next weekend when I'll have a few friends come with me and help me pull the motor.

Nice uneventful farewell drive to the M42. I do like these engine, but I want more power and especially more low end torque. The engine still runs strong and will be for sale priced cheap to get it out of the shop ASAP.

Forgot my bike was on the roof. Thank god these doors are high enough


One last shot intact.


Final start up video. Also so if anyone on here buys, you can see it was running well when pulled. Forgot to take compression numbers though


I know I know, should have shot in landscape. Whatever.:dot:

Started by removed the hood and getting my small tool kit out.


Started pulling off trim, covers, anything that would be in the way. Drained the radiator and pulled it out of there.


looking pretty bare after only 15 minutes.


Started to undo the harness.


So much room for activities!


Engine harness disconnected and DME removed.




Drained the oil. Very clean as usual.


Disconnected the fuel lines. Pinched them with vice grips then plugged them with random tools An allen wrench and an extension


Pile of parts removed is getting larger.


Pretty much leaving me here.


I couldn't really get much further without help. All I need to do is undo the exhaust and drive shaft and it's ready to come out. Pretty excited as it finally feels like I'm getting this started. Hoping to make fast progress from here. Next weekend the engine and trans will be pulled and will hopefully get the brake booster slotted and moved over. Will also be cleaning and degreasing the bay because why not? The following weekend I'd like to get the new M50 and trans installed start getting it wired up. My birthday is December 18th, just a little over month from now. My goal is the car will be driven home by then!

Was about pack it up and head out when I realized I left my window down. No problem I'll just roll it up....except the computer was remvoed and the fuse box no longer had power Dumbass. So I got creative. Removed the door panel, unhooked the harness for the window motor, stuck a few small allen wrenches in the sockets and grabbed the jump pack. Window went right up. Crisis averted.


The motor and all accessories are going to be sold. Solid running, good DME with TMS chip, BavAuto coil packs, etc. I'll post a FS thread but if anyone wants first dibs shoot me a PM.

[Nick_S]

Same. Could barely notice any difference, either.

Vanos is for the gays :up:

Found a calculator online to determine the engine speed with the G250 and 4.10 rear. Shows 4k rpm at 67mph. Haha. So....Anyone wanna swap a very well functioning, solid locking, quiet 4.10 LSD for a 3.73?

[Jand3rson]

Thanks! I've got an m50tu in my e34 and have driven an m50nv car and I truthfully couldn't tell a difference.

Same. Could barely notice any difference, either.

[Nick_S]

Great thread! Happy to see another NV M50, good to know that other people know as well that Vanos isn't really that important.

Thanks! I've got an m50tu in my e34 and have driven an m50nv car and I truthfully couldn't tell a difference. I like the nv for its simplisticity. The less parts to go wrong the better. Thats what I'm going for with this 'build'

excellent work!

Get her in there and enjoy all of your hard work!

Thanks man! I certainly hope it comes together like I envision it, ha.

[MR E30 325is]

excellent work!

Get her in there and enjoy all of your hard work!