DHS 9-page Report on Rightwing Extremism

[E30 Cabrio]

Well E30 Cabrio, in my limited experience, many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms ownership and use.

And you seem to be confusing a general statement about modern extremists to be new the new federal government criteria for denoting an extremist.

And here's the DHS Left Wing Extremist PDF since you apparently missed it the first time around:
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...ist_Threat.pdf

No sale. The "leftwing" extremist PDF lists some of the far left whack nut groups that have commited acts of violence by name.

The "rightwing" extremist PDF makes sweeping generalizations that anyone who doesn't agree with Obama policy as a right-wing extremist.

I didn't bother responding to your initial post because your argument is false and isn't relevent to what the Obama administration is doing, namely, demonizing anyone who disagrees with them.

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

While the Firing line may be a Gun Forum there is so much good info on that forum, (while wading through useless BS stuff aka our 24v swap thread). I assure you if there are facts that are not up to snuff there are very very knowledgeable people that correct things promptly.

[CorvallisBMW]

Oh REALLY....how quickly we forget.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...p?t-33388.html

http://www.nrawinningteam.com/confiscation/calockyer.html

Could you please find me a more bias and unreliable source? That one is far too trustworthy for me. kthxbye.

[Pinepig]

Now for the gov't to outlaw a gun that you already own and ask for you to turn it in is a big, big step. Even when the assault weapons ban was in effect, that never happened. No one was told to surrender the AR-15 they already owned. Sorry, but I don't see that ever happening.

Oh REALLY....how quickly we forget.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...p?t-33388.html

http://www.nrawinningteam.com/confiscation/calockyer.html

It happened nationwide on a pistol that was sold with a threaded barrel also in the last couple of years, the exact pistol model escapes me at the moment, but it was a eastern block import.


On a lighter note,

You might be a right wing radical extremist if......
1) You have a job
2) You're a veteran.
3) You're a member of the NRA.
4) You pay taxes.
5) You vote.
6) You read.
7) You have an opinion.
8) You have morals.
9) You've read the US Constitution AND the Communist Manifesto.
10) You're arrogant..
11) You refuse to acknowledge the leadership role Europe has taken in the world......?
12) You're proud to be a member of the "chattering class".
13) You don't think Che Gueverra is cool.
14) You don't think the 9/11 hijackers were just misunderstood victims of an immoral capitalist society.
15) Life in a repressive communist society doesn't inspire you.

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[Collin]

" Many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms ownership and use."

Well E30 Cabrio, in my limited experience, many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms ownership and use.

And you seem to be confusing a general statement about modern extremists to be new the new federal government criteria for denoting an extremist.

And here's the DHS Left Wing Extremist PDF since you apparently missed it the first time around:

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Leftwing_Extremist_Threat.pdf

[CorvallisBMW]

Cars get confiscated all the time for a variety of reasons.

Some firearms have already been banned and confiscated in California and many of them retroactively, without compensation to the owners.

How would you feel if you spent a couple of grand on a prized firearm, then some politicians deemed your firearm to be illegal years later, years after you legally purchased it then after you registered it in good faith you get a letter ordering you under the penalty of imprisonment to turn over your firearm to the state and without a penny of compensation.

I don't think you would be very happy, would you?

I'll be waiting for your answer and please, no red herrings like "Well, I would never spend a couple of grand on a firearm"

Pelosi wants me to register my guns just like my car?

Fine, as long as I can take my gun out in public, just like I do my car.

But in California, the only people who get carry permits are politicians and actors.

People like State Senator Don Perata who has a carry permit but who wants to ban guns for almost everyone else.

Or guys like Sean Penn who has a carry permit despite having a conviction for domestic violence.

Why is it people like Penn and Perata allowed a carry permit, but if I apply for one, I'm denied?

I'm not debating the right to concealed carrying. I have no problem with concealed carry as long as people take a certified training class and go through the required licensing (just like getting a driver's license. Guns are just as dangerous as cars and should be held to similar standards).

And cars that are confiscated are confiscated for a reason, i.e. they did something illegal. That's much different than what you suggested would happen with guns (that they would simply be outlawed and taken away, regardless).

Now for the gov't to outlaw a gun that you already own and ask for you to turn it in is a big, big step. Even when the assault weapons ban was in effect, that never happened. No one was told to surrender the AR-15 they already owned. Sorry, but I don't see that ever happening.

But please, continue with your tin-hat-fueled tirade....

[Miasma]

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf

Here is a updated link to the PDF that got taken down.

[E30 Cabrio]

I would say no where close to that number.

You're confusing 'extremists' with 'people who don't like Obama'.

There's a difference.

I disagree. It is Obama who is confusing people who disagree with his policies as "extremists"

It's right there in writing - if you disagree with Obama on his policies on immigration, citizenship, affirmative action, gun rights, you are by default a right-wing extremist.

Read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" - this is straight out of his playbook.

[E30 Cabrio]

We all have to register our cars, what's the difference? Did license plates and drivers licenses precede the confiscation of cars?

Cars get confiscated all the time for a variety of reasons.

Regardless, that's a false argument.

Some firearms have already been banned and confiscated in California and many of them retroactively, without compensation to the owners.

How would you feel if you spent a couple of grand on a prized firearm, then some politicians deemed your firearm to be illegal years later, years after you legally purchased it then after you registered it in good faith you get a letter ordering you under the penalty of imprisonment to turn over your firearm to the state and without a penny of compensation.

I don't think you would be very happy, would you?

I'll be waiting for your answer and please, no red herrings like "Well, I would never spend a couple of grand on a firearm"

Pelosi wants me to register my guns just like my car?

Fine, as long as I can take my gun out in public, just like I do my car.

But in California, the only people who get carry permits are politicians and actors.

People like State Senator Don Perata who has a carry permit but who wants to ban guns for almost everyone else.

Or guys like Sean Penn who has a carry permit despite having a conviction for domestic violence.

Why is it people like Penn and Perata allowed a carry permit, but if I apply for one, I'm denied?

[ThePotsy]

How many Millions of people fit into the above category?

I would say no where close to that number.

You're confusing 'extremists' with 'people who don't like Obama'.

There's a difference.

[E30 Cabrio]

there are many places you would be happier in than california, just sayin.....

Can you factually rebut what I just wrote in the post you quoted above?

I'll post a quote from the PDF again:

" Many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms ownership and use."

How many Millions of people fit into the above category?

That's a pretty broad brush the Obama administration is paining people with.

[CorvallisBMW]

So now Nancy Pelosi wants all guns to be registered.

What usually precedes gun confiscation?

Gun registration.

We all have to register our cars, what's the difference? Did license plates and drivers licenses precede the confiscation of cars?

[ThePotsy]

From the report. p. 3:

(U//LES) Rightwing extremists are harnessing this historical election as a recruitment tool.


Many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms ownership and use.


Rightwing extremists are increasingly galvanized by these concerns and leverage them as drivers for recruitment.



From the 2008 election timeframe to the present, rightwing extremists have capitalized on related racial and political prejudices in expanded propaganda campaigns, thereby reaching out to a wider audience of potential sympathizers.



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So if someone doesn't agree with Obama on immigration, citizenship, affirmative action, gun rights, etc...they are "right-wing" extremists and a threat according to this document.


The Obama administration is labeling dissenters as "extremists" who are a danger to society.


Where have we seen this before?

Oh, I also like the way they throw in the phrase "this historical election"

Obama never misses a chance to play the race card.

I think you're missing the point here. All that report is saying is the 'extremist' groups (extremists being people who wish to do this nation/it's citizens harm) are using these things as a way to recruit people into their 'extremist' groups. It's not saying that you can't disagree with the government.

Take a deep breath and relax.

[hugh jass]

From the report. p. 3:

(U//LES) Rightwing extremists are harnessing this historical election as a recruitment tool.


Many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms ownership and use.


Rightwing extremists are increasingly galvanized by these concerns and leverage them as drivers for recruitment.



From the 2008 election timeframe to the present, rightwing extremists have capitalized on related racial and political prejudices in expanded propaganda campaigns, thereby reaching out to a wider audience of potential sympathizers.



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So if someone doesn't agree with Obama on immigration, citizenship, affirmative action, gun rights, etc...they are "right-wing" extremists and a threat according to this document.


The Obama administration is labeling dissenters as "extremists" who are a danger to society.


Where have we seen this before?

Oh, I also like the way they throw in the phrase "this historical election"

Obama never misses a chance to play the race card.

there are many places you would be happier in than california, just sayin.....