CNN Reporter attacked at Chicago "Tea Party"

[E30 Cabrio]

I'll say it again - Your ignorance is staggering.

Maybe the person who makes 50k a year shouldn't have had 6 children.

Don't produce what you can't sustain/maintain. That goes for anything that is grown, a business, offspring, farmland, animals, real estate, relationships, friendships, etc.

I fully agree but this country will never instate a birth cap like they have in China, it's too "communist". The conservatives are usually the ones with tons of kids, look at those ignorant wastes of skin on that TLC show with 18 kids. Natural selection would have eliminated those people a long time ago.

People are poor b/c they make themselves poor (98% of the time)....

Oh dear did I just say that?

Do you honestly believe that? People are poor because Capitalism REQUIRES that poor people exist. There must be people at the bottom of the ladder for Capitalism to exist, which is one reason why it is such a disgusting system. Their cheap labor is utilized so that profit can be made at the top.

Years ago when I worked in Construction, we were on a job site and the investor was a multi-millionaire.

He got up at 6 AM every day, visited the job site on a near daily basis, drove an old POS Toyota pickup, and knew and addressed everyone on the job site by name, from the General down to the laborers. About 75 people worked on the project for over a year.

If you saw this guy, you would never, ever guess he was a MM, let alone "rich"

The reason he was rich was because he didn't spend beyond his means or on anything extravagant, he worked hard and invested wisely.

Last I heard, he owned nearly 100 Burger King franchises all thru out the US in addition to his other businesses.

My Dad sounds a lot like the guy you describe. He has run his own construction business for 30 years and has worked his butt off everyday to get where he is. But you have to remember that his business is relatively small and has a minimal impact on people and the environment, this is something that can not be said of Wal-Mart and Union Carbide, etc.

Wal-Mart execs don't work their butts off. They are driven to work in limos, sit behind a desk looking at porn for a few hours a day, have coffee and food served to them and when they all get together they decide which group of people to take advantage of and which part of the planet to suck the life from. All because they want to buy the new Aston Martin and park it in their garage next to their 50 other super cars that they never drive.

You guys can criticize all you want, in fact I welcome criticism. What you need to understand is that while I may have ideals, I am still rational about things. I do think that capitalism allows for innovation, which socialism does not. I also believe that some private ownership is a good thing. But at the same time I think that it is downright immoral that the capitalist establishment takes advantage of the weak and rapes this planet all in the name of profit.

What this country needs is a combination of the best aspects of both systems, Democratic Socialism. Western European countries are still Capitalist, which allows for innovation and growth, but they have stricter labor and environmental laws and provide basic human needs such as healthcare to everybody. I have been to Europe, it is a great place. Why are you people so scared of this? Historically, this country has been about 40 years behind Western Europe in social/political terms. We are inevitably moving more and more towards a social democratic society.

[E30 Cabrio]

Years ago when I worked in Construction, we were on a job site and the investor was a multi-millionaire.

He got up at 6 AM every day, visited the job site on a near daily basis, drove an old POS Toyota pickup, and knew and addressed everyone on the job site by name, from the General down to the laborers. About 75 people worked on the project for over a year.

If you saw this guy, you would never, ever guess he was a MM, let alone "rich"

The reason he was rich was because he didn't spend beyond his means or on anything extravagant, he worked hard and invested wisely.

Last I heard, he owned nearly 100 Burger King franchises all thru out the US in addition to his other businesses.

[BigBumperNick]

People are poor b/c they make themselves poor (98% of the time)....

Oh dear did I just say that?

[DEV0 E30]

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[Farbin Kaiber]

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[DEV0 E30]

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Nobody says you have to be gangstas, hoes
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[E30 Cabrio]

My post isn't hypocritical at all, you just need to actually know what you are talking about before you try to sound smart about something. Low income earners do not in fact pay an income tax. I don't know where the income tax bracket actually starts but the lower the income, the lower percentage of money you pay and vice versa. This makes complete sense given that a Toyota Camry costs the same amount whether you make 50k a year or 2 million a year. A person that makes two million and gets half taken away still has a million fucking dollars which is plenty for any person to sustain themselves and a family of 6. A person who makes 50k a year and gets half taken away only has 25k left which is not plenty to sustain a family of 6. The low income earners need the money more than the high income earners.

The tax rate for someone earning 50k is far lower then for someone earning 1M, so the person making 50k is not going to only have 25k left over, even after state sales taxes, property taxes etc...

The person earning 50k who is married has a maximum Federal tax rate of 15%

The person earning over 358k who is married has a Federal tax rate of 35%

Did you ever stop to think that the person earning 1M also worked a lot harder then the person earning 50k?

Maybe they have massive school loans to pay back, and that they made sacrifices in their lives like not smoking dope and partying when they were young, unlike some people.

And what happens when the Government decides that the people earning 1 Million a year or more should be taxed at an even higher rate then they already are?

It will stop ambition and will stop people from wanting to earn a lot of money, which will mean less tax revenues, less job creation, less talented people in the job market, etc...

What do you think will happen then?

Oh, and if you're making 50k a year and have 6 kids, should other people be required to pay the expenses for your children?

If you can't afford to have 6 kids, then don't.

It's that simple.

I can't afford 6 cars that cost the equivalent of raising 6 kids, although I would like to.

Should some Doctor or a Lawyer or Business Exec who took out huge loans to pay for school, sacrificed the lifestyle that most college kids had and who made other sacrifices and who works hard pay for what I want even though I can't afford it?

Should they pay for the 6 cars I want but can't afford?

Your logic or lack of logic is baffling. I don't know where you get this crap but that's not how the real world works and it never will.

Because once you start punishing success and ambition even more then it already is and start rewarding the unambitious and the irresponsible, then people will have no reason to work and earn money.

[nando]

My post isn't hypocritical at all, you just need to actually know what you are talking about before you try to sound smart about something. Low income earners do not in fact pay an income tax. I don't know where the income tax bracket actually starts but the lower the income, the lower percentage of money you pay and vice versa. This makes complete sense given that a Toyota Camry costs the same amount whether you make 50k a year or 2 million a year. A person that makes two million and gets half taken away still has a million fucking dollars which is plenty for any person to sustain themselves and a family of 6. A person who makes 50k a year and gets half taken away only has 25k left which is not plenty to sustain a family of 6. The low income earners need the money more than the high income earners.

what you fundamentally lack is an understanding of what "rich" people do with their money, and what the government does it when it takes it from them.

Rich people don't spend every dime they have, they do not have piles of money under their bed, hell most of them carry the minimum amount of cash neccesary to pay their bills. They drive regular cars - like the boring old toyota camry (except maybe celebrities, who probably didn't work a lifetime to accumulate their wealth and rather made most of it in one lucky shot). That extra million that they "don't need" gets invested - it gets invested in companies, banks, buildings, etc, things that actually contribute to the economy. This is fundamentally what seperates the rich from the poor. Some poor people will always be poor, because no matter how much their incomes grow, their spending grows just as fast. I knew people who made 100k+ a year that were up to their eyeballs in debt and basically broke as hell.

The government does not create anything, except maybe the framework that our economy works inside of. They do not invest, they do not save, they basically blow every dime on pork, wars and feel-good programs (entitlements) that keep the lower class people just happy enough to stay where they are.

You give the government a million dollars, they will spend half of it on research (beauracracy) to decide what pork project to blow it on. A rich person would invest it where it will hopefully generate growth, provide jobs and income for hundreds of other people, in expectation that it will return profit so they can invest in more things. The government just doesn't work like that.

I also love it when senators and other people in high government office talk about how corrupt "rich" people are and how we should be raising taxes, when they themselves are multi millionaires and vote themselves raises whenever they feel like it. Don't forget having the best healthcare plan in the world, funded by you and me.

Everyone, rich or poor, has extra money they "don't need". We blow ours on E30s, some people spend theirs on drugs, booze, playstations, useless junk at walmart, etc. But some people are savers and investors, and they get ahead for it.

Basically what you are saying, is you want to punish the most efficient working people in our society because they have more than you, in order to reward the people who sit on their ass all day eating "brownies" and playing videogames.

[Farbin Kaiber]

^^^ Very poignant post.

[dlmpsy]

I always find it ironic when people that live in urban areas discuss how *we* need to do so much more for the environment, how we need to do this or that because *we* are killing the planet, etc. It seems to me that these same people are the problem, they plow-up once productive fields to make a parking lot or subdivision, they drain the river and watershed to water their grass, they live in the desert and crank-up the AC in the summer and crank-up the heat in the winter, they live in earthquake prone areas and build houses and cities, they build houses on the sides of hills that get washed away when it rains or get burned down because brush has taken the place where trees once stood. Buying organic lettuce 'ain't enough, if you're gonna "talk the talk, walk the walk."

[Farbin Kaiber]

The low income earners need the money more than the high income earners.

Or, they should work for it, like everyone else has.

Maybe the person who makes 50k a year shouldn't have had 6 children.

Don't produce what you can't sustain/maintain. That goes for anything that is grown, a business, offspring, farmland, animals, real estate, relationships, friendships, etc.

What he said. I really thought more of your opinion when blunt was bashing you, but now I see how wrong I was. I think we need to switch states, you come on down, pick up a Prius and go around talking shit on everyone you feel is not up to your Utopian-par.

[Kruzen]

My post isn't hypocritical at all, you just need to actually know what you are talking about before you try to sound smart about something. Low income earners do not in fact pay an income tax. I don't know where the income tax bracket actually starts but the lower the income, the lower percentage of money you pay and vice versa. This makes complete sense given that a Toyota Camry costs the same amount whether you make 50k a year or 2 million a year. A person that makes two million and gets half taken away still has a million fucking dollars which is plenty for any person to sustain themselves and a family of 6. A person who makes 50k a year and gets half taken away only has 25k left which is not plenty to sustain a family of 6. The low income earners need the money more than the high income earners.

Maybe the person who makes 50k a year shouldn't have had 6 children.

Don't produce what you can't sustain/maintain. That goes for anything that is grown, a business, offspring, farmland, animals, real estate, relationships, friendships, etc.

[E30 Cabrio]

Oh, so you really are a communist. LOL, how funny. A proven fact is that communism does not work, yet you still cling to it. I think that says pretty much everything about your capacity for reason.

Corruption, selfishness, and evil exist. That is what causes bad things to happen. Capitalism is not the root of evil. People are. People are competitive. It is instinct. It is not something you can ignore. You can use it positively or you can use it in a negative way, but you can't get rid of it. Communism assumes that bad human traits don't exist and it assumes that competitiveness does not exist. For those two reasons, it will always be doomed to failure. Good human traits also exist of course. But communism again makes the mistake of assuming that 100% of the people will 100% of the time adhere to those good traits. Again, this is a stupid assumption. Lastly, and I keep having to make this point, people will not do something for nothing. Never, ever, never. Communism assumes that they will.

Capitalism in a free market with a free society is the only system that makes any sense at all. Checks and balances must be used of course and there must be the threat of punishment if rules are broken. But to blame some chemical disaster in India on capitalism is extremely naive and ignorant. Selfish and evil people caused that problem (I am assuming it happened, I am not going to look it up), not capitalism.

My advice to you Holmes is to grow up, live a little and start paying attention to what people really are. Idealism is all fine and dandy when you are smoking dope and your biggest worry is that Literature 101 final you have coming up. At some point, where you hold life and death in your hands and you are responsible and you do the right thing, then maybe, maybe you'll understand. Let me put it this way: Holmes version 1.0 is seriously buggy. You should wait until Holmes version 3.0 at least before you go public. I know you don't really understand, but that's just one of your bugs. Hopefully, you'll figure out how to fix it at some point.

Unfortunately, that's not a bug, that's a feature.

[E30 Cabrio]

The fact that the MSM and others used the word "teabagging" in a demeaning manner to describe hundreds of thousands of people gathering to protest out of control government taxation and spending says how far out of touch the media is, not the people protesting.

To say that the protesters are out of touch because they are unaware that "teabagging" is a slang term used primarily in the homosexual community is one of the stupidest arguments ever made.

Even stupider is that networks like CNN and MSNBC made numerous references to the slang meaning of the term and giggled like High School Sophomores who just discovered that their own flatulence is flammable while covering the event shows why their ratings are tanking and that the MSM is out of touch with mainstream America, not the other way around.

As much as the MSM wants to mock and demean hundreds of thousands of Americans, something they never do to the lefties that protest, lay down in the middle of the street blocking traffic, smash windows, burn trash cans and act like idiots, speaks volumes about the bias and the lack of credibility of the media.

I wonder if the MSM would use the same slang reference to describe the Boston Tea Party held in 1773?

The video of the CNN Reporette says it all. She didn't want to hear the answer to the question she asked - she wanted to recite Obama talking points to a live TV audience and then insult the protesters as being mindless shills marching on orders from a rival network. A rival network that is kicking their ass in the ratings.

BTW, CNN has blocked emails to her account. I guess they don't want to hear the truth or the opinions of people who were actually there and saw what happened.

Now, who is it that is out of touch?

Why is the media so afraid of the truth?

I thought it was there job to report facts and not make them up and mold them to fit their agenda.