CNN Reporter attacked at Chicago "Tea Party"

[equate975]

lol@politics

[Hallen]

I fully agree but this country will never instate a birth cap like they have in China, it's too "communist". The conservatives are usually the ones with tons of kids, look at those ignorant wastes of skin on that TLC show with 18 kids. Natural selection would have eliminated those people a long time ago.

I don't know which show you are talking about, but if you are referring to people of certain religions who tend to have a lot of kids, then that's pretty stupid. Most of those families are real families and they take care of their own.

Welfare mom's are another story.

The birth rate in the US isn't an issue anyway. It's the illegal alien birth rate and the rate of immigration that is the problem.

Do you honestly believe that? People are poor because Capitalism REQUIRES that poor people exist. There must be people at the bottom of the ladder for Capitalism to exist, which is one reason why it is such a disgusting system. Their cheap labor is utilized so that profit can be made at the top.

Wow, winner!

No, capitalism does NOT require that there be poor people. Not in the least little bit. The more prosperous each individual is, the more prosperous everybody becomes. You can't sell shit to poor people because they can't buy anything. Why would you want poor people? Capitalism does not require that you take money from one group and give it to another so some can be rich and some can be poor. You are under the misguided impression that there is only so much wealth out there and if there is a rich person, he is depriving somebody else of being in the middle class. That simply isn't how it works. Not at all. Just because poor people exist in capitalism societies does not imply that capitalism requires that. It doesn't. Capitalism is the division of work based on each individuals abilities for the betterment of all. The more people who work, and therefore are not poor, the better off everybody is.

Communism, on the other hand, forces everybody to be poor, but that's good right? At least they are all "equal".

My Dad sounds a lot like the guy you describe. He has run his own construction business for 30 years and has worked his butt off everyday to get where he is. But you have to remember that his business is relatively small and has a minimal impact on people and the environment, this is something that can not be said of Wal-Mart and Union Carbide, etc.

Good for your Dad. Does he know you are a Marxist?

Wal-Mart execs don't work their butts off. They are driven to work in limos, sit behind a desk looking at porn for a few hours a day, have coffee and food served to them and when they all get together they decide which group of people to take advantage of and which part of the planet to suck the life from. All because they want to buy the new Aston Martin and park it in their garage next to their 50 other super cars that they never drive.

Wow, that is so ignorant it is amazing. Corporate execs work all the damn time. Most of them never stop working. It's sad really. They make tons of money, but they never really enjoy life until they retire... which many of them never do. It takes huge skills, and huge amounts of work to end up anywhere near the top of a major corporation. Most people either give up or burn out way before they get there. Corporations, like capitalism, are not evil. It goes back to that people are evil thing again. There are laws about that kind of thing and if the government was not so inept at enforcing those laws, we wouldn't have as much trouble with this kind of thing.

I also believe that some private ownership is a good thing. But at the same time I think that it is downright immoral that the capitalist establishment takes advantage of the weak and rapes this planet all in the name of profit.

What is a capitalist establishment? Is that some kind of secret society? Is it a club I could join? Or is it some made-up thing used by communists to make capitalism sound evil?

Some private ownership? Give me a break. Profit is the motivator. Like we talked about before, people don't work unless they are rewarded. You can't pay your people unless you make money. You can't make new products unless you do the research, design the products, test the products and then sell the products... all of that takes money. A corporation that "takes advantage of the weak" generally doesn't stay around for very long. As far as the "rapes the planet" comment goes, get serious. Do you really think that government owned entities wouldn't rape the planet? Don't start thinking that Al Gore represents the majority of the government. What you fail to realize is that the same type of people who end up as CEO's of big companies also end up as politicians. Your faith in government to do "good" things is extremely naive. The only difference is that corporations have to respond to public desires because if they don't, they'll be out of business. Government will never be out of business so they are much slower to react and often times, never react.

What this country needs is a combination of the best aspects of both systems, Democratic Socialism. Western European countries are still Capitalist, which allows for innovation and growth, but they have stricter labor and environmental laws and provide basic human needs such as healthcare to everybody. I have been to Europe, it is a great place. Why are you people so scared of this? Historically, this country has been about 40 years behind Western Europe in social/political terms. We are inevitably moving more and more towards a social democratic society.

Yes, Europe has mostly a mixed system that is trending towards more socialism all the time. It's like a cancer. Once you start down that path, it is impossible to stop. Europe, in general, is a great place because it is a great place with huge history. It doesn't have much to do with their economic system. However, I can see how you would be more comoftable there because they tend to think more like you do.

However, on the worldwide stage, Europe is somewhat uncompetitive because of their cumbersome labor laws. The only way they stay competitive is by taking taxpayer dollars to subsidize their businesses. So it's really very silly. The laborers get paid a very high wage for what they do, but they are taxed at well over a 50% rate so the government can use that "money" to subsidize the government owned business so that the business can pay high wages and still be able to sell the products. It is a farce and completely clouds the value that each individual provides. There is no basis for attaching value to something anymore. It's all "funny money" and just about the only thing keeping it afloat has been the prosperity here in the US brought about by capitalism.

[BDK]

Instead, they just talked about playing nice with the Democrats

I don't remember that until possibly after the election,
I seem to remember the Joe the Plumber who wasn't a Plumber, and who's argument made no since at all...circle jerk type rhetoric...
NO, he wasn't a Politician but the Repubs sure used him as one...
The Muslim BS, the Socialist BS, Terrorist BS, Non Citizen BS, they came at him with everything they had and what they didn't have they made up....because they knew that their base believed it to be true...

You have to understand that in general, conservatives are not the type of people who do rallies

Oh really now??? so who were all those people at the McCain Rallies and Palin Rallies and just about any other Repub Rally? I bet they weren't liberals....
Oh, that's right not rallies but Balls, like the Governor's Ball ect,
you're right, the upper third Repubs do not do rallies, it's the bottom 2/3's that do...the numbers base, not the cash base...

People are pissed and there are a lot of them. I can guarantee you that for every 1 person at those rallies, there were 10 sitting at home chearing them on.

and 100 if not 1000 laughing at them

To represent these tea parties as "Fox News" events is a blatant misrepresentation of the facts. It's a bald faced lie.

did they not relentlessly drive support for them?
is that not a type of sponsorship, especially when they started 1 month out?

If I could find the Clip, I would show you their own advertisement with FOX NEWS on the same screen with TEABAGGERS...

It isn't about trying to overthrow the government.

who said it was?
I said it was about rallying hate and ignorance,,,,

The tea parties were not a republican event. The Republicans jumped on board, like politicians will do, but it wasn't their event.

So, if you just use a little bit of logic and common sense, go to Freedom works and read up on the tea parties, and I think you will see that most of the media misrepresented them and they did that on purpose.

Really? WHo Sponsored it?

Here's the logic to it,
who would want this?,
why?,
what would it take to pull off this "Grassroots Movement" in a short amount of time?

Maybe you yourself should do abit of reading about Freedom Works

Spontaneous Uprising? Corporate Lobbyists Helping To Orchestrate Radical Anti-Obama Tea Party Protests Last night, Eric Odom of the DontGo website — one of the organizers of the protests — wrote a blog post stressing that these protests are displays of “regular American[s] in protest of government spending and extreme taxation,” rather than something affiliated with a political party or special interest agenda.

Despite these attempts to make the “movement” appear organic, the principle organizers of the local events are actually the lobbyist-run think tanks Americans for Prosperity and Freedom Works. The two groups are heavily staffed and well funded, and are providing all the logistical and public relations work necessary for planning coast-to-coast protests:

– Freedom Works staffers coordinate conference calls among protesters, contacting conservative activists to give them “sign ideas, sample press releases, and a map of events around the country.”

– Freedom Works staffers apparently moved to “take over” the planning of local events in Florida.

– Freedom Works provides how-to guides for delivering a “clear message” to the public and media.

– Freedom Works has several domain addresses — some of them made to look like they were set up by amateurs — to promote the protests.

– Americans for Prosperity is writing press releases and planning the events in New Jersey, Arizona, New Hampshire, Missouri, Kansas, and several other states.

This type of corporate ‘astroturfing‘ is nothing new to either organization. While working to promote Social Security privatization, Freedom Works was caught planting one of its operatives as a “single mom” to ask questions to President Bush in a town hall on the subject. Last year, the Wall Street Journal exposed Freedom Works for similarly building “amateur-looking” websites to promote the lobbying interests of Dick Armey, the former Republican Majority Leader who now leads Freedom Works and is a lobbyist for the firm DLA Piper.

Americans for Prosperity is run by Tim Phillips, who was Ralph Reed’s former partner in the lobbying firm Century Strategies. The group is funded by Koch family foundations — a family whose wealth is derived from the oil industry. Indeed Americans for Prosperity has coordinated pro-drilling ‘grassroots‘ events around the country.

You bid Freedom Works, my call is Think Progress...

[robrez]

Ad hominems rock! Here's mine -- I can't help but wonder if ignorance alone could account for views so out of step with the rest of country. Luckily it doesn't take long before these nut jobs reveal themselves as not only stupid, but bonafide white trash, chauvinist,

I used to live about 1 mile from San Quentin Prison and when a scumbag was about to go to the gas chamber, the idiot protesters would show up along with a sympathetic media. We would drink a few beers and walk up there and fuck with all of them....
And fuck that CNN bitch too. What a fuckin' waffleswaffleswaffleswaffles....

racist sentiment harboring

And America has enough problems at home then trying to fix Africa's constant fucking-habbit that spreads AIDS.

Its people with the mentality of the mexicants that come into this country,

closet homos cruising for ass

Hallen - It is simply amazing, especially being from Oregon, that you actually understand the major fundamental problems our country has embraced. I applaud you sir.

Well said.


edit: wow, probably the gayest clapping emoticon out there.

And BTW, the tea parties were an ingenious way for the republican party bosses to quickly identify the cannon fodder within their party. Hope you attendees gave your email addresses out.

[markseven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2tg8gxCDU&feature=player_embedded

^^^worth a watch

CNN's Susan Roesgen went nuts on the air Wednesday at a Chicago tea party, blaming everything (accurately) on Fox News. But maybe she was angry because Fox turned her down for a job-twice!

Roesgen got snippy with a crazy interviewee while trying to cover the tea partiers, and the crowd turned on her. "I think you get the general tenor of this," she said. "It's anti-government, anti-CNN since this is highly promoted by the right-wing conservative network Fox."

Back in 2005, though, according to a Fox News source, Roesgen really wanted to work for that right-wing conservative network. She sent a tape of her on-air work to Fox's then-programming chief Kevin Magee in January 2005, and followed up with another reel to Magee's successor Bill Shine in September 2005. Needless to say, she didn't get the gig.

http://gawker.com/5216313/fox+bashin...r-a-job-at-fox

(got this from the bimmerfest polysci board - I would have linked, but there is a 100 post minimum to enter that board)

Sorry if this stuff is a repost - I didn't have time to read the thread, just a drive by.

[jrhaile]

Ad hominems rock! Here's mine -- I can't help but wonder if ignorance alone could account for views so out of step with the rest of country. Luckily it doesn't take long before these nut jobs reveal themselves as not only stupid, but bonafide white trash, chauvinist,


racist sentiment harboring





closet homos cruising for ass





And BTW, the tea parties were an ingenious way for the republican party bosses to quickly identify the cannon fodder within their party. Hope you attendees gave your email addresses out.

[Hallen]

Here's the logic to it,
who would want this?,
why?,
what would it take to pull off this "Grassroots Movement" in a short amount of time?

Maybe you yourself should do abit of reading about Freedom Works



You bid Freedom Works, my call is Think Progress...

I am not bothering to quote most of your post since it is mostly a bunch of rants. It's OK to vent...

The tea party stuff has been brewing for quite a while. Much longer than a month. And trust me, it doesn't take much to get rational Americans out to protest taxes.

I know exactly where Freedom Works comes from. Honestly, your implications are extremely offensive, and all too typical of the liberal mindset. Anybody that doesn't think like a liberal must be an ignorant hick that is suseptable to cooersion. Bah, that is one reason why liberals are such hypocrits.


Your "Think Progress" is nothing more than a political blog. It's just a venting place for rabid liberals who love to hate. Funny, again, there we go, that hypocracy again.

Liberals don't seem to understand the difference between news and opinion. They also seem very OK with omissions and think that context is unimportant. As soon as they are shown to be wrong, they simply launch another Ad Hominem attack, just like you did.

Sorry, but a non-regulated obviously extremely biased blog does not carry any weight. The funniest thing is, these blogs, CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the liberal whackos out there spend a whole lot of air time blaming Fox for the dissatisfaction out there and ranting about how biased Fox is and the reason they do that is because Fox kicks their whimpy asses in the rating consistently and not by a small margin. It's the stink of fear that drives them. They are losing the battle because people will only beleive lies so long.

One example, that is painfully obvious to any rational human. That little piece on the front page about "torture advocate" O'Reilly taking credit for some successful boycot of Spain. I guess liberals don't understand humor and sarcasm? It was a fucking joke and it was a self depricating joke on top of that. I love the part of the article where it makes it sound like Kelly was all tensed up and wondering if this guy can be real, blah, blah blah. Good greif, completely wrong and basically an obvious fabrication. She was playing along with the joke. Are you trying to tell me that this kind of slander isn't biased? Are you trying to tell me that this is good information? Are you telling me this isn't your favorite blog trying to tell YOU how to think?

I really feel sorry for you. And I am also so very sorry for our country if the majority of people really do think like you. Your hate is so palpable. You are so bunched up hating people that you can't see the forest for the trees. Sad, very sad. I live in Oregon, home of every form of liberal that there is. Some of my best freinds and many associates at work are liberals. I don't hate them for that. I feel sorry for them because they really think they are trying to be good, responsible people with regards to politics and our nation. But they are being lied to so much and it is so prevelent that you really can't blame them too much for being so misguided.

[E30 Cabrio]

The media never questions who organizes left-wing protests, despite the fact that many of them are carrying identical, professionally printed signs, yet all of the sudden, it's an issue with a conservative protest.

The media never mocks or ridicules left-wing protesters who tie up traffic, chain themselves to doors, smash windows, get arrested by the dozen, etc...yet hundreds of thousands of conservatives protest without a single violent incident or arrest and the media ridicules them, questions their motives, claim that they are robots of a rival network, etc...

The media never "questioned dissent" until now, and the motive is being labeled as racist because a Black Man is in the White House.

How they tie taxes and spending to race is still unknown, but they are trying and their going to keep pushing it, then start running polls where they oversample Dems, then they will broadcast those polls as "proof"

And we also have a few Dem congressmen/women chastising hundreds of thousands of people for exercising their 1st Amendment rights, despite the fact that no Presidents were hung in effigy, nor where there any signs stating that the President should be hung for Treason and all the other idiocy that occurs when lefty's protest.

The double-standards displayed by the media is appalling. We no longer have a media in the US - we have a bunch of cheerleaders for the DNC using the public airwaves to push their agenda and to smear anyone who disagrees.

Utterly shameful.

Edit: Thanks also for mentioning "Joe the Plumber" who asked a question of a candidate that the media should have asked but didn't, and the media dug up dirt on him and smeared him. Yet they failed to investigate Obama or many of Obama's appointees that owed 100x in taxes that "JtP" owed, yet who did the media investigate? Who did the media attack? Who did the media smear?

Shouldn't the media be looking into the backgrounds of those running for high office instead of the citizens that ask candidates legitimate questions?

Why is the media so afraid of the truth?

[ABuseO]

I was trying to read all of the posts, and learn something.

What I learned is I preferred the world when I was illiterate.

[Hallen]

The double-standards displayed by the media is appalling. We no longer have a media in the US - we have a bunch of cheerleaders for the DNC using the public airwaves to push their agenda and to smear anyone who disagrees.

Utterly shameful.

Why is the media so afraid of the truth?

Well said!

I was trying to read all of the posts, and learn something.

What I learned is I preferred the world when I was illiterate.

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

[E30 Cabrio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2tg...layer_embedded

^^^worth a watch

http://gawker.com/5216313/fox+bashin...r-a-job-at-fox

(got this from the bimmerfest polysci board - I would have linked, but there is a 100 post minimum to enter that board)

Sorry if this stuff is a repost - I didn't have time to read the thread, just a drive by.

More self-ownage by the CuNNt.

I actually have a bigger issue with the media then I do with the left.

Even the article about the CNN Reporette once applying for a job at FNC was full of bias:

"CNN's Susan Roesgen went nuts on the air Wednesday at a Chicago tea party, blaming everything (accurately) on Fox News. But maybe she was angry because Fox turned her down for a job—twice!

Roesgen got snippy with a crazy interviewee while trying to cover the tea partiers, and the crowd turned on her."

Back in 2005, though, according to a Fox News source, Roesgen really wanted to work for that right-wing conservative network.

So next time you see CNN or MSNBC talking heads—like Fox News alum David Shuster, for instance—talking about how awful Fox is (which it is!), just remember: It's all business, kids."

Now, this article was blatant with it's bias, but not far from what the MSM does on a regular basis. The person who wrote this article is basically stating what most in the MSM believe, and how their reporting mirrors their thinking.

Without the media, the left would be inconsequential but it's the media that enables them and empowers them and all the while demonizing conservatives while the intellectually lazy, which is more then 50% of the population buys into whatever they see, hear or read without question.

The media donated 78% of their campaign donations to the DNC in the last election cycle, and 70% since 1990

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=B02

The entire media has become one big campaign commercial for the DNC

How many other media outlets reported that a "CNN reporter was attacked at a Chicago Tea Party" but purposely omitted the video?

The media uses a tactic known as "lying by omission" - they leave out pertinent facts that do not support their position.

Michael Moore uses these tactics as well, but less covertly and with MM, you already know that he's pushing an agenda, but the average person at home trusts what the pretty lady or handsome man on the TV is telling them. I mean, they're on TV, reporting the news. They would never lie or mislead, right?

If this is how the media acts in the public eye (the video in the original post) one can only imagine what goes on when they are not on camera.

And imagine how much worse it would be if not for the internet to root out the facts.

And while Fox News has more conservative commentary on their network then others, they don't try to slant hard news in the manner CNN did as evidenced in the video in the original post.

[BDK]

I am not bothering to quote most of your post since it is mostly a bunch of rants. It's OK to vent...

Rants? not so much, alot of facts that seemed to offend you, your Freedom Works Recruiting post had to be answered...pissed you off didn't it...

You gave the kiddies Freedom Works, I gave them Think Progress...
just keeping it fair and balanced

So, if you just use a little bit of logic and common sense, go to Freedom works and read up on the tea parties,

Freedom works is nothing but a Republican Boot Camp, highly biased...

Liberal's don't hate, remember we are the open minded, the ones who accept people for what and who they are even if we do not agree with their actions or lifestyles, we still believe that they have a right to exist and are equals.

It's your party who is the party of hate, hate of immigrants (which just about everyone's family was at one time), hate of homosexuals, hate of anything or one that is different. You party wishes to abolish or destroy people or parties that they do not agree with. They govern in the same manner, "our way or we will destroy you" mentality and then they use religion or patriotism to rationalize their actions...they claim to be the smaller government party but all they want to do is tell everyone else how they can and should live, that is pretty big government to me...

Your party, the Repubs are the only party that convinces the majority of their own members to vote in ways that are detriminal to themselves. Not the rich but the poorer Repubs.

We definitely understand News from Opinion, that is why we dislike FOX so much, it is far from Fair and Balanced...and they do slant the news, I am sorry if you blind to it, open your mind...

As far as it ratings, I think it pertains more to the shows than their news, they have some of the most liberal programs with ultra-conservative news, that is how they stay alive....their programming not their news
I personally love their programming but can not stand their news...

I do not listen to a favorite blog, because they are all biased, I think for myself, I pull info from several different sources and then decide my position...I don't let anyone tell me how to think, and I will not let someone else try to tell the kiddies how they should think either without showing them the other side...

Joe the Plumber outed himself by lying about himself, imagine if he stepped in and said He was a Doctor, you don't think someone should check that out?
He said he was a plumber who couldn't buy a business under Obama's new tax plan. First, how big would a plumber have to be to net $250K a year? That's Net Kiddies, after all deductions?
To Net that, he would have to be doing more than $2-3million a year in business, alot of business for his area of Ohio. In addition, if the plumbing business he was wanting to buy actually netted that, he would be paying a helluva lot more than that for the company. These are all the reasons people, people with a clue, started to look into him, his argument did not make any sense... he was fictitious just as his question was...if he had prefaced that way, things would have been different but he didn't....

Don't feel sorry for me Hallen, I am very well qualified to fend for myself unlike E30 Cab who follows you around like a puppy....spouting repub propaganda just as you do...

[joshh]

Stupid bitch.