Man wounds robber, then shoots him 5 more times, murder or self defense?

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  • Atreus
    E30 Mastermind
    • Sep 2008
    • 1846

    #1

    Man wounds robber, then shoots him 5 more times, murder or self defense?

    OKLAHOMA CITY - Confronted by two holdup men, pharmacist Jerome Ersland pulled a gun, shot one of them in the head and chased the other away. Then, in a scene recorded by the drugstore's security camera, he went behind the counter, got another gun, and pumped five more bullets into the wounded teenager as he lay on the floor.

    Now Ersland has been charged with first-degree murder in a case that has stirred a furious debate over vigilante justice and self-defense and turned the pharmacist into something of a folk hero.

    Ersland, 57, is free on $100,000 bail thanks to an anonymous donor. He has won praise from the pharmacy's owner, received an outpouring of cards, letters and checks from supporters and become the darling of conservative talk radio.

    "His adrenaline was going. You're just thinking of survival," said John Paul Hernandez, 60, a retired Defense Department employee who grew up in the neighborhood. "All it was is defending your employee, business and livelihood. If I was in that position and that was me, I probably would have done the same thing."

    District Attorney David Prater said Ersland was justified in shooting 16-year-old Antwun Parker once in the head, but not in firing the additional shots into his belly. The prosecutor said the teenager was unconscious, unarmed, lying on his back and posing no threat when Ersland fired what the medical examiner said were the fatal shots.

    But many of those who have seen the video of the May 19 robbery attempt at Reliable Discount Pharmacy have concluded the teenager in the ski mask got what he deserved.

    Mark Shannon, who runs a conservative talk show on Oklahoma City's KOTV, said callers have jammed his lines this week in support of Ersland, who wears a back brace on the job and told reporters that he is a disabled veteran of the Gulf War.

    "There is no gray area," Shannon said. One caller "said he should have put all the shots in the head."

    'In reasonable fear'
    Don Spencer, a 49-year-old National Rifle Association member who lives in the small town of Meridian, 40 miles north of Oklahoma City, said the pharmacist did the right thing: "You shoot more than enough to make sure the threat has been removed."

    Barbara Bergman, past president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers and a professor at the University of New Mexico School of Law, likened the public reaction to that of the case of Bernard Goetz, the New Yorker who shot four teenagers he said were trying to rob him when they asked for $5 on a subway in 1984.

    Goetz was cleared of attempted murder and assault but convicted of illegal gun possession and served 8 1/2 months in jail.

    Bergman said those who claim they used deadly force in self-defense have to show they were "in reasonable fear of serious bodily injury."

    The pharmacy is in a crime-ridden section of south Oklahoma City and had been robbed before.

    The video shows two men bursting in, one of them pointing a gun at Ersland and two women working with the druggist behind the counter. Ersland fires a pistol, driving the gunman from the store and hitting Parker in the head as he puts on a ski mask.

    Ersland chases the second man outside, then goes back inside, walks behind the counter with his back to Parker, gets a second handgun and opens fire.

    You're not taking my life'
    Irven Box, Ersland's attorney, noted the outpouring of support for the pharmacist, including $2,000 in donations, and said: "I feel very good 12 people would not determine he committed murder in the first degree."

    Under Oklahoma's "Make My Day Law" — passed in the late 1980s and named for one of Clint Eastwood's most famous movie lines — people can use deadly force when they feel threatened by an intruder inside their homes. In 2006, Oklahoma's "Stand Your Ground Law" extended that to anywhere a citizen has the right to be, such as a car or office.

    "It's a 'Make-My-Day' case," Box said. "This guy came in, your money or your life. Mr. Ersland said, 'You're not taking my life.'" The gunman "forfeited his life."

    The 14-year-old boy accused of wielding the gun in the robbery was arrested Thursday. The district attorney said he will seek murder charges against the teenager, a man accused of being the getaway driver, and another man suspected of helping talk the teens into the crime.

    'My baby'
    Ersland is white and the two suspects were black. Anthony Douglas, president of the Oklahoma chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, called a news conference to praise the district attorney for bringing the murder charge. But he said the organization has taken no position on Ersland's guilt or innocence.

    "We want the system to do its job," Douglas said.

    Parker's parents also expressed relief that Ersland faces a criminal charge.

    "He didn't have to shoot my baby like that," Parker's mother, Cleta Jennings, told TV station KOCO.
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  • jflip2002
    R3V Elite
    • Sep 2006
    • 4377

    #2
    Shooting him 5 more times is wrong. You shot him in the head; take away his gun, and call the authorities. I think the other 5 rounds he pumped into this guy was his emotions and lack of judgment getting in the way. He probably wont face first degree murder charges, but he will probably get something like manslaughter, which still sucks.
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    i would jerk larry king off while tonging jflips ass if h0lmes would blow his head off

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    • Farbin Kaiber
      Lil' Puppet
      • Jul 2007
      • 29502

      #3
      Two thoracic, one orbital. He shouldn't have wasted time.

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      • Joe318is
        R3V OG
        • Sep 2005
        • 6451

        #4
        Originally posted by jflip2002
        Shooting him 5 more times is wrong. You shot him in the head; take away his gun, and call the authorities. I think the other 5 rounds he pumped into this guy was his emotions and lack of judgment getting in the way. He probably wont face first degree murder charges, but he will probably get something like manslaughter, which still sucks.
        agreed... but be ready to feel the wrath of R3V politics


        Originally posted by vlad
        Do you know anybody else who built that many bad ass E30s?

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        • mrsleeve
          I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
          • Mar 2005
          • 16385

          #5
          flip:

          Thats your "OPINNION" how do you know the kid on the floor was not trying to get his gun back under control and was now a threat again????

          While the law says its only S.D. till the threat is eliminated weather the guy runs, or is dead, makes no difference, if there is no longer a t threat of great bodily harm or death then its murder. It will have to be proven by the DA that the kid was not trying to re aim his weapon when he got plugged agian.

          OK, has a No duty to retreat/ Stand your ground law, one of the best forms of castle law there is, so he dose have some leg to stand on there as well, all be it a small leg. I say good for him, (prolly should not have shot the kid 5 more times but we were not there to make that threat assessment) the sad thing is this is gonna take some fancy lawyerin to get him off with out any time served, and a pretty sympathetic jury. I myself would never convict for this, it was a S.D. and thats that.

          I do just love how the Media, NAACP and the DA have already turned the Perp's into the victims, and the repeated referencing of the "execution style killing" just makes me ill. If this had been 2 white kids and black business owner he would have been given the keys to city for this same action.
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          • jrhaile
            Mod Crazy
            • Oct 2005
            • 744

            #6
            Not enough. Should have reloaded and shot him 7 more times.

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            • Aptyp
              R3V OG
              • Feb 2008
              • 6584

              #7
              freaking hero

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              • Streichholzschächtelchen
                E30 Mastermind
                • Jan 2009
                • 1670

                #8
                Sooooo, it was a complete opposite of... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hvNi0VZwc8
                Jah bless! :pimp:

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                • golde30
                  R3V OG
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 11464

                  #9
                  Oh snap, homey done robbed the wrong drug store honkey.


                  really though, if some1 points a gun in a threatening manner at you, and you have a gun of your own, i say defensive murder should be legal. dont pull a gun unless you understand the reprocussions.
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                  • s0urce
                    R3VLimited
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 2933

                    #10
                    Shooting a dead body isn't murder.
                    tasty

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                    • Joe318is
                      R3V OG
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 6451

                      #11
                      Originally posted by s0urce
                      Shooting a dead body isn't murder.
                      that would be a good argument work make.

                      IF the guy is convicted of murder, the defense could attempt to show that the kid was already dead and therefor the murder was in self defense. the following 5 [unnecessary] shots were simply defacing a corpse.


                      Originally posted by vlad
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                      • Collin
                        E30 Mastermind
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 1736

                        #12
                        Why shoot 5 more times if he's already been shot in the head? I hear that's commonly fatal, but I'm no MD.
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                        With 73k+ post, you'd think he'd have learned a little about life.

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                        • brandondan1
                          E30 Enthusiast
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 1091

                          #13
                          Originally posted by mrsleeve
                          flip:

                          Thats your "OPINNION" how do you know the kid on the floor was not trying to get his gun back under control and was now a threat again????



                          I do just love how the Media, NAACP and the DA have already turned the Perp's into the victims, and the repeated referencing of the "execution style killing" just makes me ill. If this had been 2 white kids and black business owner he would have been given the keys to city for this same action.
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                          The kid was shot in the head... what makes you think he'd be able to reclaim his gun, get up, aim, and kill someone after that? Do we even know if he was conscious? Also, how hard is it to take a gun away from someone who's been shot in the skull? Not very, I'd imagine.

                          You think a black man would be given keys to the city if he shot a white kid 6 times? In a hicksville like Oklahoma? More like a death sentence . Yeah, the kids were stupid for trying to rob the store, and deserve some sort of punishment. However, this was overkill regardless of the color of the person who did it...


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                          • Joe318is
                            R3V OG
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 6451

                            #14
                            Originally posted by brandondan1
                            The kid was shot in the head... what makes you think he'd be able to reclaim his gun, get up, aim, and kill someone after that...
                            maybe he thought the kid was a zombie


                            Originally posted by vlad
                            Do you know anybody else who built that many bad ass E30s?

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                            • brandondan1
                              E30 Enthusiast
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 1091

                              #15
                              touche ;)


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