Man wounds robber, then shoots him 5 more times, murder or self defense?

[CAOSyAMOR]

All these questions being asked about if he was reaching for a gun, if he was conscious and still able to fight, etc are all valid questions. And I'm sure they crossed Ersland's mind in the moment and he addressed them the only way you can in a moment like that. When someone has pulled a gun on you I don't believe it is reasonable for you to have to sit back and make the calculations as to if the kid would still be able to attack or not. In the moment there is only one way to guarantee that kid will not be shooting back and Ersland did it properly.

In my opinion, you pull a gun on someone for any reason other than self defense and you signed your own death certificate.

Thank you.

[Leaf]

Its murder

[Primeraman]

Its not murder. If your stupid enough to rob someone and have a gun then you deserve to be shot and killed. Plus how many of you people claiming this guy is guilty have actually ever been robbed at gun point? Do any of you know what kind of adrenaline rush goes through your body? Especially if you haven't been trained with firearms. Kid got what was coming to him....End of story.

[Aptyp]

Coming from the guy who gave me shit for posting a video of me running my friend on a empty country road.

because in this scenario, you're irresponsible moron who gets shot in the head.




... and then 5 more times.

[BobombETA]

I agree that it is self defense. I would have probably acted the same in that situation.

The thief checked his rights at the door when he drew his gun.

On a side note, did anyone see the clerk on "The Factor" two nights ago? Not to insult the man; but based on his speech, it sounds like he has some mental deficiencies. I wouldn't doubt that his lawyer uses that as part of his defense.

[Leaf]

Its not murder. If your stupid enough to rob someone and have a gun then you deserve to be shot and killed. Plus how many of you people claiming this guy is guilty have actually ever been robbed at gun point? Do any of you know what kind of adrenaline rush goes through your body? Especially if you haven't been trained with firearms. Kid got what was coming to him....End of story.

DUDE
what don't you get about the store owner disarming him by shooting him in the head. The kid was unconscious and was no threat. His gun was thrown halfway accross the store, how the shit is he a threat to this homo honkey as he was? He should have called the cops and watched him for any aggressive movement and that should have been it. Being some sick fuck by pumping five more rounds into someone and finishing him off is execution and murder. This guy should go away from at least 5 years (i put it low cuz i mean he was defending his store in the first place so it doesnt deserve a life sentence.

[Alkasquawlik]

DUDE
what don't you get about the store owner disarming him by shooting him in the head. The kid was unconscious and was no threat. His gun was thrown halfway accross the store, how the shit is he a threat to this homo honkey as he was? He should have called the cops and watched him for any aggressive movement and that should have been it. Being some sick fuck by pumping five more rounds into someone and finishing him off is execution and murder. This guy should go away from at least 5 years (i put it low cuz i mean he was defending his store in the first place so it doesnt deserve a life sentence.

Where did you get this little tidbit of information?
Pull it out of your ass?

[mrsleeve]

DUDE
what don't you get about the store owner disarming him by shooting him in the head. The kid was unconscious and was no threat. His gun was thrown halfway accross the store, how the shit is he a threat to this homo honkey as he was? He should have called the cops and watched him for any aggressive movement and that should have been it. Being some sick fuck by pumping five more rounds into someone and finishing him off is execution and murder. This guy should go away from at least 5 years (i put it low cuz i mean he was defending his store in the first place so it doesnt deserve a life sentence.

Where did you get that bit of info, I have been following this since it started late last week. I have seen no such claims or info pop up any where.

Next off, if would bother to read any of the other posts in this thread there are some valid questions brought up, that the DA will have to prove did not happen to even get close to a conviction.

Like has been said on here by many others, He singed his life away the moment he pulled a deadly weapon while committing a crime, most of the time they get away with it, but not this time

Also if go look at states that are Shall issue for CCW permits you will see that the violent crime rates drop shortly after they adopted shall issue laws, and look at home invasions drop after castle doctrine laws are adopted. Why because criminals run a greater risk of targeting a armed victim and then have to worry about dieing in the pursuit of taking stuff which dose not belong to them. Most criminals may be stupid but they dont want to get killed either. As has been proven through thousands of years of human Civilization AN armed society is a polite society.


You live in Illinois dont you?????? I would bet in the Chicago area as well??????

[Miasma]

He is from Texas, do you really expect more?

Your state gives my state hat hair!






j/k!



I stand by what I quoted.

[Turf1600]

He is from Texas, do you really expect more?

Can't argue. I would have done the same thing.

[Aptyp]

armed criminal got killed, why are we arguing semantics here? It doesn't matter.


How many people that shooting an armed robber is wrong?
How many people think that being shot is better than being a shooter?

This thread is awesome however.

[jrhaile]

RELOAD AND PUMP HIM WITH 7 MORE!!!

oh sorry, repost :D

[joshuaaa]

anyone who is willing to put my life/my families/or the people around me in danger better expect that if i have a gun i will shoot to kill. anything like that situation you need to expect that a normal person should not risk the chance of the perpetrator being able to cause harm if you "think" they are unable to or if they are running away because they can still turn around and shoot the place up as the run.

[xwill112x]

I wouldn't call that murder, i call that natural selection. if the kid is stupid enough to do that shit at 16, he got what was comming.


btw, are there any tapes of this?
i'd like to see how it really happend, i'm sure they had security camera's all over that store since the area was crime ridden.

[jrhaile]

EVERYONE should be thanking this guy for saving the tax payers money on this assholes jail sentence. He shouldn't be charged, he should be written a check for the saving the state money!