Hilary plan vs. Obama plan

[kishg]

Like kish said, I pay about $90 a month for just me and my company pays somewhere in the 70-80% range, so that is about right.

But your math is off as the last I heard the $1 Trillion still leaves something like 25 million uninsured. So those of us with premiums still have them raised to pick up the tab on Medicaid/Medicare patients just like we do now.

Dumping more money into a 50 year old broken system is far from healthcare reform, it's simply gov't expansion.

expanding the current system is clearly not the right thing but there's no escaping that a) the system is broke and b) we need to do something about it before it balloons into a problem like social security (which i am not even counting on - that to me is lost money).

also don't forget that at the end of the day, we're already collectively paying for the uninsured now. when they're conditions become life threatening and they go into ER and when something that could have been prevented for $100 now costs, $10,000, who do you think is paying? insurance companies are not in the charity business last i checked.

[z31maniac]

Like kish said, I pay about $90 a month for just me and my company pays somewhere in the 70-80% range, so that is about right.

But your math is off as the last I heard the $1 Trillion still leaves something like 25 million uninsured. So those of us with premiums still have them raised to pick up the tab on Medicaid/Medicare patients just like we do now.

Dumping more money into a 50 year old broken system is far from healthcare reform, it's simply gov't expansion.

[kishg]

The population of the US ( as of Jul 2008 ) is 304,059,724
Obama's Plan is said to cost $1,000,000,000,000 (Thats a Trillion Bucks)
That means that on average the plan will cost EACH person in the US $3288.83
I don't spend that much on health insurance, do you?
I'd rather have the thirty-two hunderd bucks. In check form please...

I spend close to that for my wife and I and that's with a very substantial subsidy (they pay 75%) from my employer. Given the choice I will continue to pay that rather than go public option simply because a) I can afford to and b) I will pay a premium for the higher level of service e.g, no referrals, ability to see any doctor anywhere, go straight to specialist etc. However, other folks may not be able to afford that. I don't think it's a question that healthcare costs are inflated. I see the detailed claims statements that my insurance sends me.

[RainierHooker]

The population of the US ( as of Jul 2008 ) is 304,059,724
Obama's Plan is said to cost $1,000,000,000,000 (Thats a Trillion Bucks)
That means that on average the plan will cost EACH person in the US $3288.83
I don't spend that much on health insurance, do you?
I'd rather have the thirty-two hunderd bucks. In check form please...

[kronus]

in before republicans

[Jean]

I've been watching the republicans (louie gohmert and steve king) on c-span talk about the national healthcare, and the censorship of using certain words in media or required to pay for their own media per democrats. How when Obama says if you like your current plan you'll be able to keep it, but that can't really happen with all plans having to pass specific guidelines or they won't be legal etc...

Have you guys seen the charts, with something like 33 new entities? How many of you understand it?

Discuss.