E30s are safe...for now

[Hallen]

So let me get this straight.

The government institutes the 'Cash for Clunkers' program. The public loves it. In fact, they love it so much that they trade in cars at a totally unexpected rate, much higher than anyone had predicted.

And that's the governments fault? And it's a 'failure', according to you?

Perhaps you need to look up the definition of the word failure (hint, it's the opposite of success)

Like I said, if you opened a business and sold out in 5 days because people loved your stuff so much, would you call yourself a failure?



Except that the $$ you spend on foreign oil went to kill over 2000 innocent Americans on 9/11. And it continues to kill our soldiers all over the middle east. Still want to bring it on? How many soldiers lives are worth it?

Regardless of how many cars were sold under the program, it is a failure. It was a failure as soon as it was signed into law. It is simply a government subsidy that spends our tax dollars on something that does not need to have money spent on.

I'm not going to go into the economics of why this is bad. However, anybody with a grain of sense has to understand that this is just another government spending program at a time when the government should not be wasting money like that.

And shut the fuck up about what our soldiers have died for. You have no clue. Every filthy word you wrote simply demeans what they stand for and what they have accomplished. Your ignorant and arrogant stance is indicative of a declining society to caught up in the vast superiority of their haughty dogma to understand the basic principles that guide truly free and prosperous men.

[kishg]

Except that the $$ you spend on foreign oil went to kill over 2000 innocent Americans on 9/11. And it continues to kill our soldiers all over the middle east. Still want to bring it on? How many soldiers lives are worth it?

please, if we don't buy it the chinese will.

[mattdk318i]

too bad you're taking capable cars off the road in favor of new cars that require more emission to manufacture and produce than the combined emissions that are emitted through the life of an old clunker

Exactly, I like the comment about testing the cars before they were eligible. those machines arent hard to aquire.

They could have easily tested cars in all 50 states. those dealerships that were eligible for the cash for clunkers should have been required to have a NOX machine. All this did was stick a bandaid on the problem

I agree, I should go out and buy a RePo Truck next year. The percentage of people that can afford these new cars is probably pretty low.

Others are riding the grace period........

[CorvallisBMW]

Regardless of how many cars were sold under the program, it is a failure. It was a failure as soon as it was signed into law. It is simply a government subsidy that spends our tax dollars on something that does not need to have money spent on.

I'm not going to go into the economics of why this is bad. However, anybody with a grain of sense has to understand that this is just another government spending program at a time when the government should not be wasting money like that.

So by your definition, every government program is a failure, since they all spend money? Are our environment and our auto industry not worthy of spending money on?

There's no need to go in to the economics of it, because everyone knows that it makes perfectly good sense. In fact, there are many governments all across Europe that are doing the same thing, and they've all seen big gains in their domestic auto sales. Maybe you haven't heard, but we're in the middle of a recession. And helping people ditch old clunkers for new autos that put people to work and inject money in to the economy is exactly what we need.

And shut the fuck up about what our soldiers have died for. You have no clue. Every filthy word you wrote simply demeans what they stand for and what they have accomplished. Your ignorant and arrogant stance is indicative of a declining society to caught up in the vast superiority of their haughty dogma to understand the basic principles that guide truly free and prosperous men.

I guarantee you I know more about it than you sonny.

[bmwstephen]

So by your definition, every government program is a failure, since they all spend money? Are our environment and our auto industry not worthy of spending money on?

There's no need to go in to the economics of it, because everyone knows that it makes perfectly good sense. In fact, there are many governments all across Europe that are doing the same thing, and they've all seen big gains in their domestic auto sales. Maybe you haven't heard, but we're in the middle of a recession. And helping people ditch old clunkers for new autos that put people to work and inject money in to the economy is exactly what we need.



I guarantee you I know more about it than you sonny.

our environment is worth spending money on but how does buying new cars which require more emissions to manufacture and produce help the environment?

our auto industry should be allowed to succeed or fail on its own terms. UK had an automotive industry and failed out of existance.. they still seemed to be doing much better than the US.

The reason why their version of the program is effective is because their economy is much smaller than ours and most importantly they arent as broke as america!! public transit accounts for half the transportation in europe unlike us. so of course their version of the program will cost significantly less than ours. YOU forget, America has a hugeeeeeeeeeeee deficit, this program doesn't help it at all.

[slow e30]

i didnt vote for my taxes to help some hood idiot get into a new ride.

[nbio]

i didnt vote for my taxes to help some hood idiot get into a new ride.

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[HiTheNameIsBJ]

My mom wants me to trade in my e30 for a Cash for Clunker. I'm looking for a foxbody for cheap so I can trade that pile in. I should be able to pick one up for a couple hundred bucks. I'm hoping for like a 2009 rabbit, just something practical for commuting to school.

[kishg]

My mom wants me to trade in my e30 for a Cash for Clunker. I'm looking for a foxbody for cheap so I can trade that pile in. I should be able to pick one up for a couple hundred bucks.

You need to have owned/registered it for a year. Your SOL.

[HiTheNameIsBJ]

You need to have owned/registered it for a year. Your SOL.

Owned no problem, I could pick one up from a buddy, there are a shit ton here, and just whip up a bill a sale, registered would deff be an issue.

I also have a 94 s10 that's been off the road forever but I'm the last registered owner, I just figured a mustang would give extra leway.

[doucy2]

they are all the same.. except for ron paul.

quoted for true.
Legal pot that the government is taxing could most definitely fund this failing program.
Big gov't is the downfall of America.... its happening sooner than later.

[naplesE30]

If I ran my buisness and ran out any product in 5 days I would have failed to predict my product potential and yes that is a faliure! A massive faluire! This why the govt operates in the red and buisnesses operate in the black.

So let me get this straight.

The government institutes the 'Cash for Clunkers' program. The public loves it. In fact, they love it so much that they trade in cars at a totally unexpected rate, much higher than anyone had predicted.

And that's the governments fault? And it's a 'failure', according to you?

Perhaps you need to look up the definition of the word failure (hint, it's the opposite of success)

Like I said, if you opened a business and sold out in 5 days because people loved your stuff so much, would you call yourself a failure?



Except that the $$ you spend on foreign oil went to kill over 2000 innocent Americans on 9/11. And it continues to kill our soldiers all over the middle east. Still want to bring it on? How many soldiers lives are worth it?

[kishg]

i'm not so concerned about the success failure of the implementation. they under-estimated how popular it would be, no one died. Katrina, now that was a major govt fuckup.. remember that? I'm more concerned about the effectiveness of the program vis a vis the $3billion we're spending on it. I don't see how this helps the environment or gas usage in any material terms. I also don't see how making people buy cars they can likely not afford later or we're going to buy in any case in 6-12 months will help the long term stabilization of the auto industry.

[z31maniac]

So let me get this straight.

The government institutes the 'Cash for Clunkers' program. The public loves it. In fact, they love it so much that they trade in cars at a totally unexpected rate, much higher than anyone had predicted.

And that's the governments fault? And it's a 'failure', according to you?

Perhaps you need to look up the definition of the word failure (hint, it's the opposite of success)

Like I said, if you opened a business and sold out in 5 days because people loved your stuff so much, would you call yourself a failure?

You're so clueless it's laughable.

It's a failure because the program had to be halted, because there was such poor planning for the response that with only 1/10 of the money spent they were losing track of what was going on.

How hard is that for you to understand?

The point he was making is that if the gov't can't even get their shit together to trade in 250,000 cars and give a rebate, let's let them handle far more difficult health insurance for 300+ million people.

Can't you not see the parallel being drawn?

[kishg]

You're so clueless it's laughable.

It's a failure because the program had to be halted, because there was such poor planning for the response that with only 1/10 of the money spent they were losing track of what was going on.

How hard is that for you to understand?

The point he was making is that if the gov't can't even get their shit together to trade in 250,000 cars and give a rebate, let's let them handle far more difficult health insurance for 300+ million people.

Can't you not see the parallel being drawn?

The problem that the parallel been drawn is irrelevant. You cannot compare this potty program to something like health care. lest you forget there are already govt managed health care programs (medicare) which run quite efficiently. i think the management overhead is something like 2%. again, my issue with this program is the concept of it, not necessarily execution.

btw the 1/10 # is wrong. 250MM was allocated in the first few days. I trust the WSJ more than anyone spouting off numbers on r3v.