E30s are safe...for now

[kishg]

You still have to get credit approval before buying the car.

fat lot that means in terms of ability to repay.. repo men are gonna have a field day!

pretty sure e30s will be struck from the eligible list though.

[kishg]

Much of Obama's future political success rests squarely on the shoulders of the outcome of the auto bailouts, and now we as a country are subsidizing a fleeting, one-time, boost in sales so the Dems can claim it as a win for the party.

your over-reaching.. this is a bad plan without thought.. typical govt regardless of dems or republicans. ray la hood is a republican btw.

[Alkasquawlik]

your over-reaching.. this is a bad plan without thought.. typical govt regardless of dems or republicans. ray la hood is a republican btw.

It is a bad thought, but if it fails, Obama is going to get the majority of the heat directed straight at him.

[AdironRider]

If it wasnt for our rediculous debt load Id really have little problem with this plan. I know plenty of folks, mostly older people, that are trading in their old crown vics for new cars. My grandparents just did this last week with their Buick Roadmaster. That being said there are plenty of people out there who are definatwly going to get in over their head.

[kishg]

It is a bad thought, but if it fails, Obama is going to get the majority of the heat directed straight at him.

yeah so? that's his job but to assume some conspiracy about propping up that bailout with the CARS program is simple minded imo. there are many many other factors in play and you may not agree with his policies but obama is not simple minded.

[kishg]

If it wasnt for our rediculous debt load Id really have little problem with this plan. I know plenty of folks, mostly older people, that are trading in their old crown vics for new cars. My grandparents just did this last week with their Buick Roadmaster. That being said there are plenty of people out there who are definatwly going to get in over their head.

the problem with the plan is that it puts perfectly acceptable cars like e30 in wrecking yards. plus the impact on the environment from this is negligible.

[FredK]

3 billion dollars ain't no thang to the US Government.

[AndrewBird]

What they should have done is made it so only cars that COULDN'T pass an emissions test were eligible. Just because it is an old car, doesn't mean it won't pass. If the point was to be "green", then this would have fulfilled it's purpose.

[kishg]

What they should have done is made it so only cars that COULDN'T pass an emissions test were eligible. Just because it is an old car, doesn't mean it won't pass. If the point was to be "green", then this would have fulfilled it's purpose.

Bingo! I nominate you for Transportation Secretary!

[FredK]

What they should have done is made it so only cars that COULDN'T pass an emissions test were eligible. Just because it is an old car, doesn't mean it won't pass. If the point was to be "green", then this would have fulfilled it's purpose.

Many parts of the country don't have an emissions test. Even uptight Massachusetts no longer requires tailpipe emissions to be quantified for OBD-I cars. As long as you pass a visual test (no smoke emitted from tailpipe), you can continue belching hydrocarbons / NOx / SOx into the environment, as long as it appears your catalytic converter is present.

So in order to enact such a plan, tailpipe emissions must be gauged across all 50 states. Emissions testing equipment would have to be tested, recommended and then procured by safety inspection stations in states that don't have it as a part of being able to register an automobile.

While it may seem as though much bathwater would be thrown out with babies in the current way the program is run, it correctly identifies older cars to have worse emissions, which as a whole, THEY DO. Even running in tip-top shape, older cars were held to looser emissions standards by the DOT.

[DEV0 E30]

People think PETA activists are insane, just wait until E30 activists witness god's chariot being crushed.

Pff, you think Bleeding Kansas was bad?

Them rivers are going to bleed oil. Castrol High Mileage 20-50 oil to be exact.

[Alkasquawlik]

People think PETA activists are insane, just wait until E30 activists witness god's chariot being crushed.

Pff, you think Bleeding Kansas was bad?

Them rivers are going to bleed oil. Castrol High Mileage 20-50 oil to be exact.

sigworthy

[CorvallisBMW]

Now they want to float more money into a program that isn't that successful.

I think you're missing the point of the whole program. It's goal was two-fold: To exchange old, dirty cars for cleaner more efficient ones, and to bolster US auto sales.

If anything, the CARS program has been incredibly successful. It has seen huge demand that has far exceeded expectations.

How exactly has it been 'not successful'?

[Alkasquawlik]

I think you're missing the point of the whole program. It's goal was two-fold: To exchange old, dirty cars for cleaner more efficient ones, and to bolster US auto sales.

If anything, the CARS program has been incredibly successful. It has seen huge demand and the has far exceeded expectations.

How exactly has it been 'not successful'?

It's successful in the sense that it did allow people to trade in their cars, whether that is a good thing or a bad thing, that's for another thread. And it did boost some auto dealers sales, not all though.

However, the fact that the program failed due to backlogs and other things at 1/10 of the predicted volume speaks volumes about the government's organization of this. They were extremely short sighted, which makes their idea of universal health care very scary, when they cannot even handle simple trade ins.

They basically failed at being successful, they should stick to what they're good at, being successful at failing.

[Midnight Sun]

so the Dems can claim it as a win for the party.

Being 316-109 bipartisan vote. I wouldn't say the democrats are ONLY ones responsible. At least in the house.


At any rate, it is a pretty dumb idea. As stated, most people driver clunkers because they cant afford a car in the first place. As well some of us who do enjoy our clunkers wouldnt trade them in for anything.

What makes me ANGRY is why does my 1985 Eta get 28-30ish miles to the gallon, yet some newer cars cant even best that?

Hail BMW is all I gotta say.