Fundemental difference between Liberals and Conservatives

[kishg]

OT: kish, do you work in finance?

risk

[gazellebeigem3]

Im Republican, with Libertarian accents.

My family is mostly all right minus my mom and my sister.

how are things going for you these days john?

[iamsam]

so if you don't believe in god your a liberal? ok, i'll stop taking you seriously now.. btw, i don't care about being called a liberal or left, i just don't think it's accurate.

wow calm down my friend!!! i did not say "if you don't believe in god your a liberal". What i said was that since you don't believe in God, and you are a liberal, it SO FAR fits the theory that people who don't believe in God tend to be liberal (left-leaning). This is fitting in with my co-worker who doesn't believe in God and is liberal, that's all. I am not making generalizations. That is why i started this thread. I wanted to get input from people to see if we can find a fundemental difference here.

For example, my mom is liberal, and she believes in God. i just want to find more examples.

EDIT: Thank you for taking me seriously originally. Usually Liberals don't take Conservatives seriously. (joke)

[Alkasquawlik]

Liberals are girly men

[dvs909]

- abortion: only if mothers life is endangered
- gay marriage : no
- death penalty : fuck yes
- gun control : i own guns. a gun is a object, neither good nor bad.
- religion: Freedom of religion is important
- income bracket : lowest one, im a broke college student. i do feel that we should have ONE FLAT TAX RATE. its only fair that everyone pays the same percent
- homeowner : no
- in favor of burning gasoline : hell yes
- do i believe in global warming : no. who the fuck declared that the climate doesnt ever change natrually?
- economics : favor fiscal conservatism, and reforming the tax code. the govt isnt dad, it's not made to fix your stupid choices, the church is traditionally viewed in the roll as being the one to help the homeless and hopeless
- wars in iraq/afghanistan : I don't think i know enough.
- universal healthcare : bullshittt. im broke and in college and still can afford health insurance
- immigration : what made the U.S.A. strong. why stop it? control it better.

[John Rocker]

how are things going for you these days john?

Life sucks. I have no money, no beer money, and some robber stole my tv.

Other than that my meth lab has not blown up yet so thats a positive.

[iamsam]

dvs909: Conservative

[Alkasquawlik]

I'll jump on the bandwagon


- abortion: no
- gay marriage : don't really care, i just hate how they make a big deal out of it
- death penalty : yes
- gun control : it is in our bill of rights to own guns. guns don't kill people, people kill people
- religion: Freedom of religion is important
- income bracket : i make 12 an hour. ftw
- homeowner : no
- in favor of burning gasoline :yes
- do i believe in global warming : no
- economics : fiscal conservative
- wars in iraq/afghanistan : support it
- universal healthcare : most of you know how i feel about this, horrible idea
- immigration : stop illegals coming in, and deport them if they are found here
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[iamsam]

so now what is the major difference between conservatives like dvs909 and Blunt and Alasquawlik and Liberals like kishg and H0lmes and MassiveLee? what makes them think so differently?

[dvs909]

environment. your world view is reflected by what you see as just and unjust around you. i live in the country, so gun control isn't a big deal, everyone owns a gun and we shoot in our backyards.
however i watch my dad getting raped on taxes for being a successful small (growing however) business owner. why the fuck are they punishing him for creating wealth and jobs?

[BenM]

Okay I'll play. 22, Grew up in upper-middle class environment. Mom is hardcore lib along with the rest of my family, dad is a moderate. I consider myself a moderate, but will probably be considered a liberal.

- abortion: pro-choice
- gay marriage : don't give a shit
- death penalty : yes
- gun control : should be non-exsistant
- religion: sucks
- income bracket : pretty low
- homeowner : no
- in favor of burning gasoline :yes
- do i believe in global warming : somewhat
- economics : fiscal conservative
- wars in iraq/afghanistan : very against these
- universal healthcare : very against it
- immigration : not sure, but something should be done

[Nic01101011]

EDIT: Thank you for taking me seriously originally. Usually Liberals don't take Conservatives seriously.

with statements like this, the more you post, the less people will take you seriously...

some ridiculous over generalizations in this thread

libertarian fwiw

[learningcurve86]

-abortion: should not used because you a condom again. There are cases where it is necessary to save a life. also rape and insest are pretty heavy issues here. It shouldn't be a free for all...

- gay marriage : Let them do what they way. Bob and Mike getting married doesn't hurt me... and then they pay a marrage tax and have to adopt kids in order to have a dependent. I feel like this is a win win win (they're happy... a potential child gets a two parent home... and extra taxes)

- death penalty : fuck yes

- gun control : to own a gun you should have to prove that you are of sane mind and are able to use it responsibly.

- religion: Freedom of religion is important

- income bracket : I'm a student that intends on being highly educated (1 associate's, two bachelor's, two masters as well as two German diploms)... I feel that the more you make the more you can afford to pay, but that the rate should change (like an exponential graph) so that the guy making a billion a year pays more than the guy making 200k... but by no means should he have to pay 33%

- homeowner : no

- in favor of burning gasoline : hell yes

- do i believe in global warming : yes, but cars are a very small part of this. less than 20% i believe. We can't just focus on cars.. we need to hit it from every angle as there is pollution... or else we won't catch up.

- wars in iraq/afghanistan : regardless of why we went there.. if we leave now (after WE took out the established status-quo) i give it 2 months until civil war breaks out and then we wait for the most blood thirsty to rise to the top. no thank you. we need to finish this shit and make it stable

- universal healthcare : I agree with the theory. If you need help: you should get it. If you're a doctor: you should get paid. If you make money off of people's suffering: fuck you. -I have a very good friend with MS... try and tell her that current health care works.

- immigration : Build the wall. Make current illegals tax paying citizens or get out.. and then let in people that can fill jobs. with a ~9.4% unemployment rate the time of 'they do jobs that americans won't do' is over. If you want to come here: i welcome you with open arms... but do it right and don't become a burden on those around you. And to anyone that says illegals contribute despite lack of proper taxes... PM me for my opinion


what does that make me?

[Turf1600]

I'll throw my opinion in the hat. Grew up lower middle class - at 24 I make more than my parents. My parents are pot smoking hippies who expect everything to be handed to them. They are nearing retirement age, broke, and play the lottery like there is no tomorrow. As far as I know they have never had health insurance.

I'm an atheist libertarian and am strongly socially liberal. I disagree with their general point of view. As with everything, political stance is a combination of all life experiences.

- abortion: pro-choice

- gay marriage : I don't see why not

- death penalty : yes

- gun control : should be non-exsistant

- religion: Heavily atheist

- income bracket : Fluctuates heavily - but pretty good

- homeowner : yes

- in favor of burning gasoline :yes

- do i believe in global warming : How can you not? But it may not be man made.

- economics : fiscal conservative

- wars in iraq/afghanistan : starting to understand how safe we are.

- universal healthcare : Worst idea ever

- immigration : Block the fucking border

[decay]

The way i have seen it at college is that the hard core liberals don't believe there is a greater purpose than life on earth at all, and live for the moment, and don't think about death and stuff. I worked with one of the most hard core raging liberals that the world has ever produced and he firmly believed there was no God and that people ceased to be when they died. I asked him if that bugged him, apparently it doesn't.

So there is one difference i see. But of course there are Libs who believe in God and vice versa.

the fact that college kids live for the moment and don't think about death has more to do with that they are college kids than their political bias.

as someone who's taken the time to think on the matter and wound up a non-believer, i realize that death is the end, and it follows that to live carelessly or without self-awareness would be a huge waste.