Fundemental difference between Liberals and Conservatives

[dvs909]

- immigration : Build the wall. Make current illegals tax paying citizens or get out.. and then let in people that can fill jobs. with a ~9.4% unemployment rate the time of 'they do jobs that americans won't do' is over. If you want to come here: i welcome you with open arms... but do it right and don't become a burden on those around you. And to anyone that says illegals contribute despite lack of proper taxes... PM me for my opinion

agreed.

[dvs909]

I'm an atheist libertarian and am strongly socially liberal. I disagree with their general point of view. As with everything, political stance is a combination of all life experiences.

- religion: Heavily atheist

you already stated your religion, do you feel like there is anything currently wrong with the governments stance on religion?

you sound like you are middle of the road.

[iamsam]

with statements like this, the more you post, the less people will take you seriously...

some ridiculous over generalizations in this thread

libertarian fwiw

it was a joke.

[Turf1600]

you already stated your religion, do you feel like there is anything currently wrong with the governments stance on religion?

you sound like you are middle of the road.

Yeah, the fact that religion has any impact at all on legislation is disgusting. This is a very diverse country and religion has no place in laws, schools, the workplace, ect. This country was founded primarily by deists. "Under God" wasn't added until the 50's. During the 20's and into the 40's there was a large atheist movement spurred by urbanization - but the cold war wiped that out. People either don't understand history or ignore it. I don't think anything good comes out of Religion mixed with politics.

[iamsam]

the fact that college kids live for the moment and don't think about death has more to do with that they are college kids than their political bias.

right, and because they are college kids and think the way they do creates the political bias.

as someone who's taken the time to think on the matter and wound up a non-believer, i realize that death is the end, and it follows that to live carelessly or without self-awareness would be a huge waste.

if death is the end, what would living carefully and with self-awareness be?

Yeah, the fact that religion has any impact at all on legislation is disgusting. This is a very diverse country and religion has no place in laws, schools, the workplace, ect. This country was founded primarily by deists. "Under God" wasn't added until the 50's. During the 20's and into the 40's there was a large atheist movement spurred by urbanization - but the cold war wiped that out. People either don't understand history or ignore it. I don't think anything good comes out of Religion mixed with politics.

just clarifying, what you mean by this is that religion of any kind should not be impressed upon anybody in laws, schools, and workplaces?

[dvs909]

Yeah, the fact that religion has any impact at all on legislation is disgusting. This is a very diverse country and religion has no place in laws, schools, the workplace, ect. This country was founded primarily by deists. "Under God" wasn't added until the 50's. During the 20's and into the 40's there was a large atheist movement spurred by urbanization - but the cold war wiped that out. People either don't understand history or ignore it. I don't think anything good comes out of Religion mixed with politics.

I am following you here, but for different reasons. my belief is that it is the role of the church to help those who need it, and the government is only there to regulate.
I am currently pissed off at my church, they just built a $30 million dollar expansion, and all i can think of is how much that could have helped my community.

[kishg]

EDIT: Thank you for taking me seriously originally. Usually Liberals don't take Conservatives seriously. (joke)

and vice versa.. sorry i misunderstood your comment. anyways i dont believe belief in god has much to do with it. that's like saying if you believe in god your a neo-con. plenty of religious folk on both sides.

[kishg]

fwiw, I am socially liberal

based on your later post I call BS.

[kishg]

as someone who's taken the time to think on the matter and wound up a non-believer, i realize that death is the end, and it follows that to live carelessly or without self-awareness would be a huge waste.

+1

[Alkasquawlik]

based on your later post i call :bs:

I genuinely feel bad for people in dire circumstances, and I am all for helping the ones who want it.

Legalize, decriminalize pot. I don't care. It doesn't affect me.

other social things like that I tend to lean to the left, but not at the expense of the economy. if it's at the expense of the economy, tough shit, life sucks.


You're just jealous I still have an iX and you sold yours off for some worthless S14.

[kishg]

I genuinely feel bad for people in dire circumstances, and I am all for helping the ones who want it.

Legalize, decriminalize pot. I don't care. It doesn't affect me.

other social things like that I tend to lean to the left, but not at the expense of the economy. if it's at the expense of the economy, tough shit, life sucks.


You're just jealous I still have an iX and you sold yours off for some worthless S14.

your post makes no sense.. how does abortion hurt the economy?

as for the ix, i'll be back in one soon..

[Alkasquawlik]

your post makes no sense.. how does abortion hurt the economy?

as for the ix, i'll be back in one soon..

I thought about that a little more after posting, it's really not black and white. There are so many different circumstances and situations that pop up with that topic. I just think it's a little unethical for people to fuck endlessly, and then find out they're pregnant, and basically cop out.
People need to take responsibility for their actions.

[iamsam]

I thought about that a little more after posting, it's really not black and white. There are so many different circumstances and situations that pop up with that topic. I just think it's a little unethical for people to fuck endlessly, and then find out they're pregnant, and basically cop out.
People need to take responsibility for their actions.

yes very true.

Abortion doesn't necessarily hurt the economy, abortion is one of those issues where people's morals and beliefs dictate their opinion.

[kishg]

I thought about that a little more after posting,

Usually a good idea to think a little more before posting :p

it's really not black and white. There are so many different circumstances and situations that pop up with that topic.

I find that's true with most topics. Nothing is ever as clear cut as the proponents of one side or the other want you to believe.

People need to take responsibility for their actions.

no doubt about that but it's funny how you agree that anyone should be able to own/carry a gun but want to prevent a woman's right to choose. :p

to be clear i think abortion should be discouraged but that's the job of parents not the govt.

[jrhaile]

I'm not getting into this discussion but I will say one thing... liberals seem to lack all things common sense. While conservatives lack open-mindedness.

Also I find it fucking hilarious that Obama and libtards will support abortion when their religion they say they belong to is so opposed to it.