Shit hits the fan in Fort Hood, Texas. 50 casualties.

[dvs909]

You do know "your" God has a fleet of Demons he commands to kill. Reshef, Hez, Ketev, Dever, etc.

Old Testament again,
Dever ... demon of pestilence
Resheph ... demon of plague
Mavet and Mot ... demons of death
Lilith ... child stealing demon
Pahad ... demon of terror by night
Shabriri ... demon of blindness
Hez ... demon who attacks with "spiritual fiery dart of the bow"

i believe these were the demons of the ten plagues in egypt. i haven't studied this yet, and i can't really answer. i do know that these are old testament, and once again the old testament is a history, not the mission.

[decay]

so god just made all of the demons disappear when he knocked up mary to make jesus?

...isn't there a point at which it becomes more work to believe the fairy tale, than not?

fuck this, i'm gonna go work on my car, it's a better use of my time.

[ben312]

you havnt proven anything wrong.
im not sure what your talking about with the food water argument.
killing innocents never helped a family.

and i dont pray to the same God as Muslims. The Muslims claim they are the same, but they are not. My God is loving and doesn't command anyone to kill.


'Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: An evil fate' (Sura 9:73).

The food and water thing is simple. The people in power make their lessers kill in hope that their families will get some food or water in a region where there is otherwise very very little.

And you once again show your close mindedness. Muslims come from jews. Where do christians come from? Jews. Good try, but its the same god, they just call him allah, as the jews call him yahwee, and you call him god. They are the same god. Hate and tell me I am wrong all you like, but the leaders of the faiths all say I am right so...

[dvs909]

that's not the same book in the bible; and the two books aren't even written by the same person.

it's not "obvious" at ALL that the analogy carries across the way you say it does to make the religion sound non-violent.

if he "didn't preach violence", then why make a mission statement that says "NOT peace", two times in a single sentence?

The peace he is talking about is one between families, friends, relationships. Christianity isn't easy, and he knew that relationships would be sundered by and destroyed by people converting to Christianity.

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)

also if you have studied the bible, you would know that all the books are the word of God, the writers are just the people at the type writer.

[dvs909]

The food and water thing is simple. The people in power make their lessers kill in hope that their families will get some food or water in a region where there is otherwise very very little.

And you once again show your close mindedness. Muslims come from jews. Where do christians come from? Jews. Good try, but its the same god, they just call him allah, as the jews call him yahwee, and you call him god. They are the same god. Hate and tell me I am wrong all you like, but the leaders of the faiths all say I am right so...

Muslims come from jews? do you mean genetically? The God of Christians and Jews is the same.
The Muslim God is not, completely different teaching, different message.

[kronus]

also if you have studied the bible, you would know that all the books are the word of God, the writers are just the people at the type writer.

So that's why they had to have a bunch of meetings in the 200's-300's CE to vote and agree on what they all believed so that it could be put into the bible?

The problem with arguing with you is that once you put a fickle beast of absolute power into the equation, you can claim any absurd bullshit that comes into your head and be convinced that you're the holder of fundamental truth and destined to spread it to the unenlightened. Did you go to Bob Jones U, by any chance?

[kishg]

i think it's pretty to clear to most who the nutbag is in this thread. stop feeding him.

[dvs909]

So that's why they had to have a bunch of meetings in the 200's-300's CE to vote and agree on what they all believed so that it could be put into the bible?

The problem with arguing with you is that once you put a fickle beast of absolute power into the equation, you can claim any absurd bullshit that comes into your head and be convinced that you're the holder of fundamental truth and destined to spread it to the unenlightened. Did you go to Bob Jones U, by any chance?

I'm not making anything up, i have cited most of my arguments. which is alot more than anyone else.
And i have no clue what went on in those meetings. do you?


Nope, im at a local public college.

[ben312]

Muslims come from jews? do you mean genetically? The God of Christians and Jews is the same.
The Muslim God is not, completely different teaching, different message.

No, muslims came from jews just as catholics did. But again what do I know, I only did 10+ years of catholic school, only took 3 years of in depth religious studies and a year of religious devisaty. But I'm sure your close minded typical american viewpoint is right, and my educated open look.

[kronus]

i think it's pretty to clear to most who the nutbag is in this thread. stop feeding him.

Nah, I am amused, and this thread makes me feel better about myself. Why stop a good thing? :D

[Massive Lee]

I wonder if Devils999 will realize there's a reason why Jews, Muslims and Christians all claim Jerusalem as their own. Three different religions. One same small shit hole town in the desert. Hmmm... Let me think...

Nah, I am amused, and this thread makes me feel better about myself. Why stop a good thing?

What's the name of that skinny and ugly character in Lord of the Rings?

[kishg]

Nah, I am amused, and this thread makes me feel better about myself. Why stop a good thing? :D

good enough. carry on ;)

[Emre]

I'm going with people that lived in Turkey that happen to be Christian Armenians.

The event you reference took place during the time of the first world war. No one alive back then is still around to tell their tale. So there's no way you could be talking with "people who lived in Turkey" during that time. In cases such as this, a study of history becomes important.

Considering every historian (whether European, American, Turkish, or Armenian) agrees that the Armenian genocide was national (rather than religious) in character, I'd be inclined to give credence to that view...no matter how persuasive one family friend's anecdote might be.

[Emre]

The God of Christians and Jews is the same.
The Muslim God is not, completely different teaching, different message.

What planet are you on? Again, you've shown that you don't even understand the rudimentary facts about your own religion.

All three groups of idiots pray to the same make-believe god. You just call it by different names. Every grammar school kid knows this.

I wonder if Devils999 will realize there's a reason why Jews, Muslims and Christians all claim Jerusalem as their own. Three different religions. One same small shit hole town in the desert. Hmmm... Let me think...

QFT.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Oh, mr. 909, God is/does condone violence, I hate Christians that make him out to be some sunny, candy throwing God of love. He is not, if you knew that once you accept Him, he gives you his grace, and peace. (Grace is unmerited favor, something you do not earn, and Peace is the cessation of againstness.) Meaning He was once against you, as in an enemy.