Shit hits the fan in Fort Hood, Texas. 50 casualties.

[ben312]

The Holocaust was not committed under the guise of "God told me too"
the Holocaust was one mans atrocity against people he hated.

anyone who commits violence in the name of Christianity or hate isn't following the bible. Jesus didn't hang out with the priests, he hung out with prostitutes, thieves and tax collectors. obviously he didn't hate the sinners, only the sin. there is no biblical precedence for violence against anyone.

For someone who stands up so hard for Christians you have never read the old testament have you? Killing and vengeful god all over that, plenty of god telling people to kill, and of him striking down. Please stop talking. You have no idea what you are talking about. The bible has plenty of stories of people killing because "god told them to". The quran does not tell people to kill, the extremists who twist the message do. The quran is a book of peace far more so then the bible. Please shut up, because you really are closed minded and have no idea what you are talking about. You hear the word jihad and think it means death for allah, you are wrong. Its a "war" of conversion. Its a pillar of the faith, it has to do with converting people to the religion. And guess what? Blowing people up don't help that to much. Its the same basic idea as the Mormons, convert people to get into heaven. So why don't you jump the Mormons and say they are all about killing? Ill tell you why, because you haven't been brainwashed to hate them. Open your mind or get off the thread, because plain and simple you are wrong.

[Pinepig]

oh i get it.

Um no you don't.:D

[dvs909]

For someone who stands up so hard for Christians you have never read the old testament have you? Killing and vengeful god all over that, plenty of god telling people to kill, and of him striking down. Please stop talking. You have no idea what you are talking about. The bible has plenty of stories of people killing because "god told them to". The quran does not tell people to kill, the extremists who twist the message do. The quran is a book of peace far more so then the bible. Please shut up, because you really are closed minded and have no idea what you are talking about. You hear the word jihad and think it means death for allah, you are wrong. Its a "war" of conversion. Its a pillar of the faith, it has to do with converting people to the religion. And guess what? Blowing people up don't help that to much. Its the same basic idea as the Mormons, convert people to get into heaven. So why don't you jump the Mormons and say they are all about killing? Ill tell you why, because you haven't been brainwashed to hate them. Open your mind or get off the thread, because plain and simple you are wrong.

i have explained this multiple times. the old testament is a history of the JEWS. the new testament sets the standard for christians

the old testament is like a companies history. the things it DID. the new testament is its mission statement.

also, the mormons go by a different book.

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward


Calling me close minded is rather close minded yourself mister. because i have a different view doesn't mean im closed minded, it means i have a different view.

[Jean]

Good thread. Couple intelligent individuals and a few nutbags as usual.

I laugh at organized religion, christian nutbags, mormon nutbags, extremists from each side set in their own ways.

dvs909 - awesome dude, you are such a fucking tool it's not even funny. to have an opinion is one thing, but to say some of the things above like they are facts is another. first one to add to the ignore list.... / looking for the ignore list now.

[dvs909]

Um no you don't.:D

and what dont i get?

[dvs909]

Good thread. Couple intelligent individuals and a few nutbags as usual.

I laugh at organized religion, christian nutbags, mormon nutbags, extremists from each side set in their own ways.

dvs909 - awesome dude, you are such a fucking tool it's not even funny. to have an opinion is one thing, but to say some of the things above like they are facts is another. first one to add to the ignore list.... / looking for the ignore list now.

i laugh at people who apply one standard to people they disagree with and another standard to those who they disagree with.

if i was a muslim and you called me a nutbag i would kill you for persecuting me.

And so, when the sacred months are over [6] , slay those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God wherever you may come upon them, [7] and take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every conceivable place [8] ! Yet if they repent, and take to prayer, and render the purifying dues, let them go their way: for, behold, God is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace. [9]

[Massive Lee]

...because i have a different view doesn't mean im closed minded, it means i have a different view.

Yeah. Basically, you are staring at your asshole and claiming this is "the truth". The view we should all share. No thanks.

You know. I am not a member from any Christian church, or any Muslim branch. And you are giving me the exact reasons why I will keep away. The religious intolerance is frightening. You just made a clear demonstration.

[BenM]

good thread. Couple intelligent individuals and a few nutbags as usual.

I laugh at organized religion, christian nutbags, mormon nutbags, extremists from each side set in their own ways.

Dvs909 - awesome dude, you are such a fucking tool it's not even funny. To have an opinion is one thing, but to say some of the things above like they are facts is another. First one to add to the ignore list.... / looking for the ignore list now.

qft!

[dvs909]

Yeah. Basically, you are staring at your asshole and claiming this is "the truth". The view we should all share. No thanks.

You know. I am not a member from any Christian church, or any Muslim branch. And you are giving me the exact reasons why I will keep away. The religious intolerance is frightening. You just made a clear demonstration.

no im staring at the koran and quoting versus.

2:191 And slay them wherever you may come upon them, and drive them away from wherever they drove you away - for oppression is even worse than killing. [168] And fight not against them near the Inviolable House of Worship unless they fight against you there first; [169] but if they fight against you, slay them: such shall be the recompense of those who deny the truth.

[ben312]

i have explained this multiple times. the old testament is a history of the JEWS. the new testament sets the standard for christians


Calling me close minded is rather close minded yourself mister. because i have a different view doesn't mean im closed minded, it means i have a different view.

That's all well and good, but the jews god is your god, which is the same god as allah. So its rather moronic of you to hate the muslims so much when at the end of the day you all pray to the same god. And do you know why so many of these people go and blow themselves up? For the same reasons catholics fought in the crusiads. Because the people who have the money, the food, the water, the power, the guns, and so on are the ones twisting the message. And when you have no food, no water, no money, no power, and no way to fight, and also believe what the corrupt priests are telling you, then you do what they say in order to make life better for you family. You see it as such an act of hate, when to the person doing it its an act of love. Not the people planing, they are the hate filled ones, but the people actually committing the act are doing it for their families. Not that it makes it right or gives them any right to do it, but the idea is understood.

And also, it would be closed minded to call you close minded IF you were being open minded. Its great that you have a different view. But the definition of closed mindedness is that you stick to your opion even when others have proven it to be wrong many times.

"Don't be ignorant" -MJ

[dvs909]

That's all well and good, but the jews god is your god, which is the same god as allah. So its rather moronic of you to hate the muslims so much when at the end of the day you all pray to the same god. And do you know why so many of these people go and blow themselves up? For the same reasons catholics fought in the crusiads. Because the people who have the money, the food, the water, the power, the guns, and so on are the ones twisting the message. And when you have no food, no water, no money, no power, and no way to fight, and also believe what the corrupt priests are telling you, then you do what they say in order to make life better for you family. You see it as such an act of hate, when to the person doing it its an act of love. Not the people planing, they are the hate filled ones, but the people actually committing the act are doing it for their families. Not that it makes it right or gives them any right to do it, but the idea is understood.

And also, it would be closed minded to call you close minded IF you were being open minded. Its great that you have a different view. But the definition of closed mindedness is that you stick to your opion even when others have proven it to be wrong many times.

"Don't be ignorant" -MJ

you havnt proven anything wrong.
im not sure what your talking about with the food water argument.
killing innocents never helped a family.

and i dont pray to the same God as Muslims. The Muslims claim they are the same, but they are not. My God is loving and doesn't command anyone to kill.


'Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: An evil fate' (Sura 9:73).

[decay]

O RLY?

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." -jesus of nazareth

[Farbin Kaiber]

You do know "your" God has a fleet of Demons he commands to kill. Reshef, Hez, Ketev, Dever, etc.

[dvs909]

O RLY?

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." -jesus of nazareth

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.

the sword he is referring to is the word of God, Christians weapon.

also in the garden, when jesus was arrested, peter cut off the ear of one of the guards, jesus reprimanded peter for his violence and healed the man. its pretty obvious jesus in no way preached violence

[decay]

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.

the sword he is referring to is the word of God, Christians weapon.

also in the garden, when jesus was arrested, peter cut off the ear of one of the guards, jesus reprimanded peter for his violence and healed the man. its pretty obvious jesus in no way preached violence

that's not the same book in the bible; and the two books aren't even written by the same person.

it's not "obvious" at ALL that the analogy carries across the way you say it does to make the religion sound non-violent.

if he "didn't preach violence", then why make a mission statement that says "NOT peace", two times in a single sentence?