Obama to send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan

[LBJefferies]

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You do know iraq had wmds for sure dont you?????? How do we know this, because we (the USA) still have the fucking receipts from when we gave Saddam a bunch of them to go kill Iranians during the iran/iraq war in the early 80's you do know that right, where did they all go he didnt use them all???????


but yes wrong time to go work over Saddam in general I agree.

Bush referred to nukes as WMD's. We gave weapons (guns, munitions) to Iraq but not WMD's. Don't be stupid.

[Bimmerman325i]

I'm at a loss here.
Bush Invaded Afghanistan after they wouldn't turn over Bin Laden, didn't catch him, we have pretty much been there since. Bush took resources away from there to invade a country that didn't attack us or have any WMDs. now Obama is shifting resources back to Afghanistan and the far right is getting all pissed why exactly?

Because he's a Democrat?

[mrsleeve]

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You do know iraq had wmds for sure dont you?????? How do we know this, because we (the USA) still have the fucking receipts from when we gave Saddam a bunch of them to go kill Iranians during the iran/iraq war in the early 80's you do know that right, where did they all go he didnt use them all???????


but yes wrong time to go work over Saddam in general I agree.

[assoutE12]

I'm at a loss here.
Bush Invaded Afghanistan after they wouldn't turn over Bin Laden, didn't catch him, we have pretty much been there since. Bush took resources away from there to invade a country that didn't attack us or have any WMDs. now Obama is shifting resources back to Afghanistan and the far right is getting all pissed why exactly?

[K-Swiss]

because no one gives a flying fuck about Canadian government... Canada has their own deference ministry (of some sort I hope), and US didn't force them to send all 2 guys with sporks overseas.

Maybe, Lee, you should focus on where Canada fucked up? Maybe, the fact that global economy became so dependent on one country that they're all collapsing one by one.

You sir are a complete idiot. Do you know anything about how much we contribute? Of course its to a lesser degree than you guys. Its because our entire country has the same population as California. Honestly if you know nothing you should just keep your cake hole shut.

[quickervicar]

The Soviets got their ass kicked in Afganistan. There is no winning there. It's a tribal society. They are not, anytime soon, going to start thinking the way we do. We delude ourselves at our own peril.

Normally I stay out of the political threads, but I'll offer this tidbit. When we first deployed into Afghanistan, a (formerly) Russian employee made the statement "You won't win. You cannot win there. We tried for 10 years and got nothing. You wait."

Another employee offered the advice "We should just nuke the whole place. Flatten it like a pancake. We'll get him (Bin Laden) one way or another."

Me: "So how would that make us any better than the terrorists who flattened the Twin Towers? Only instead of killing thousands of innocent people we'd be killing millions."

Maybe I'm just a skeptic, but--since this appears to be the first Nobel Peace Prize awarded on credit--doesn't this move default on the loan? Or since this deployment would require congressional approval (IIRC, some in the senate are balking at this), could he still have his Prize & eat it too?

[joshh]

We should have 300,000 troops there and scour that fucking place. Get the shit over with.

The ONLY thing that will keep Al Qaeda down is whatever government we leave in place. Currently that government is working against us.

[mar1t1me]

A couple of things.

The Soviets got their ass kicked in Afganistan. There is no winning there. It's a tribal society. They are not, anytime soon, going to start thinking the way we do. We delude ourselves at our own peril.

Second, Obama didn't start this whole mess, so as much as I'm inclined to beat on him for sending more troops in, I can't because I'm not privy to all the details.

Bush & Co. has some buddies that have made a fortune off the conflicts in Iraq and Afganistan and still are. But they haven't been required to answer for it. And that, my friends, is really fucked up.

Finally, I have to envy China a little. They now own our asses-and they don't play World Cop. They don't give a rat's ass about spreading democracy. Shit, white collar crime is punished by death! I'd like to string up the war profiteers and Wall Street wizards that while actually doing nothing constructive have managed to fuck America and still get paid!

[iamsam]

civil wars totally suck.

[monty]

We have no idea what is really going on and/or why the decisions that are made are made. Yes Obama said he was pulling troops by the end of 2009 and now he is saying he is sending 30k more but I'm sure there is reason, not just "eh fuck it guys, lets send some more." Just because he said 2009 doesn't mean he has to. Its not like he will be shot by the government for not doing so. He gave America what they wanted, hope and change as he stated, not results. He is a politician and that's what they do, tell us what we want to hear.

I do not agree with sending more. But if sending more means bringing everyone back sooner rather than without sending more, then yes I agree, send them. Who knows maybe it's a bluff to stir up the war of nothing and really secretly bring them back when they are expecting 30K more over there.

In my opinion we need to tighten up our homeland security and protect our own soil to the end, not someone else's soil or in this case sand.

None the less if anyone of us were told "you have to do the presidents job tomorrow or be shot dead", either way you would know you were fucked. That's why I choose to not blast shots at the president.

For some reason, with everything going on for the U.S. right now, I foresee a civil war with lots of casualties in the near future.

[iamsam]

what??? How are we not affected? LMAO. I don't even know where to begin addressing this one. The world over is affected by the US' actions!

my operating word was "directly" in my statement. People outside the US are most definitely all INDIRECTLY affected by US policy, the US pretty much has an effect on the whole world, but we in the US are DIRECTLY affected by out government, then the rest of the word INDIRECTLY. See what I'm sayin?;)

[Stephen]

ehhh everyone is entitled to their opinion. i dont agree with lee's but i would hope members could separate opinions from business. i think most do because i sell to a lot of guys on here i insult and pick on. they all know its part of the game. im running lees kits on my car even though hes totally off base politically

Its not really the opinions. He can have those. Just the holy fuck youre all waffleswaffleswaffleswaffless... Not really offensive, just annoying after a while. Also i think most people find the comedic gold in your insults. Not as much with Lee


Regardless, id still buy off lee, i just dont need the braking power


Meh.. Lee, just make another account :p

[Hallen]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6936645.ece

It all started back in December 2001 when the US troups were surrounding Ben Ladin (that was the goal of the invasion, right?) and ready to "harvest" him. Easy job. Generals in Afghanistan requested Washington for a little extra help to "close the deal" and capture Ben Ladin. Bush and Rumfeld refused the extra military support to be sent to Afghanistan, Ben Ladin took a hike, and for 8 years American soldiers kept on dying... I guess it was a lesson learned as the current administration wants to end things shortly by sending extra troups to train the "aboriginal" army and then leave in 2011... Afghanistan was a 3 month mission that will have lasted 10 years.

I have an idea, which perhaps a few of you guys will agree on. If you don't like my opinions as a vendor, don't buy off me. Period. A few leechess have already expressed the idea a couple of years ago, that anybody who has something to sell should be lobotomized and opinion-free. Sorry. Not in my book. I don't share Blunt's tastes for young boys, but I still buy stuff off him.

And to those I have offended in this thread. I'd suggest to reread it from the beggining and sharpen your comprehension skillzzzz, as you'll find nothing offensive, pro or anti-Republican/Democrate/US whatsoever. You'll just find an article from a UK newspaper... So put another Tampax in your waffleswaffleswaffleswaffles until your periods are over ... ;)

Tommy Franks may be to blame in that situation, and Rumsfeld was a dick, but that's war, isn't it? That article is again poorly written using implication rather than facts. Maybe it is a fact that OBL got away. But I seriously doubt the fact the Franks knew for sure he was there and then only sent in 100 commandos. There was some serious fighting going on in those hills. I doubt anything was a clear cut as JOHN KERRY wants it to be. And btw, where does it say in the article that more troops were requested and they weren't given? That isn't the case. Maybe troops on the ground there were not deployed by Franks, but that would be his deal, not Rumsfeld or Bush.

And nice try at yet again diverting the discussion from Obama's mistakes and failure in his responsibility back to it being all Bush's fault. Funny, did Bush make this decision today? Are you trying to say that Bush is the puppet master pulling Obama's strings??

Post what you want Lee, it's your life. I think its stupid you do so, but that's my problem.

The problem with Obama's decision here today is two fold.

First, he took way too fucking long to make a bad decision showing clearly he's just interested in walking the political tight rope and not interested in either getting OBL, stopping the taliban, or finishing this war, or keeping the maximum number of our soldiers alive.

Second, he was presented with three options and wimped out on it.
1) 0 chance of success, send 20k more troops.
2) marginal chance of success, send 60k more troops.
3) good chance of success, send 80k more troops.

What does he do? Sends 30k more, which won't really help, and sets a timeline. What an idiot. That's like playing poker and telling somebody that all your chips are on the table and you're bluffing.

He should man-the-fuck-up and either pull 100% of the troops out or send the 80k more that the General asked for. Milk toast; that's what we have for a leader.

[dreamchasin]

why does the canadian always try to school us in US bullshit?

[mrsleeve]

I think this PIC works well in this thread




on topic Good its about fucking time. Where would we have been in 62 during the cuban missile crisis if lets stop and think about it BHO was at the helm