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    Cash for Caulkers???

    This clown can't stop spending our money.

    Cash for Caulkers could mean $12K per home

    * By Steve Hargreaves, CNNMoney.com staff writer
    * On 6:24 pm EST, Tuesday December 8, 2009


    President Obama proposed a new program Tuesday that would reimburse homeowners for energy-efficient appliances and insulation, part of a broader plan to stimulate the economy.

    The administration didn't provide immediate details, but said it would work with Congress on crafting legislation. Steve Nadel, director at the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy, who's helping write the bill, said a homeowner could receive up to $12,000 in rebates.

    The proposal is part of the President's larger spending plan, which also includes money for small businesses, renewable energy manufacturing, and infrastructure.

    We know energy efficiency "creates jobs, saves money for families, and reduces the pollution that threatens our environment," Obama said. "With additional resources, in areas like advanced manufacturing of wind turbines and solar panels, for instance, we can help turn good ideas into good private-sector jobs."

    The program contains two parts: money for homeowners for efficiency projects, and money for companies in the renewable energy and efficiency space.

    The plan will likely create a new program where private contractors conduct home energy audits, buy the necessary gear and install it, according to a staffer on the Senate Energy Committee and Nadel at the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy.

    Big-ticket items like air conditioners, heating systems, washing machines, refrigerators, windows and insulation would likely be covered, Nadel said.

    Consumers might be eligible for a 50% rebate on both the price of the equipment and the installation, up to $12,000, said Nadel. So far, there is no income restriction on who is eligible. That would mean a household could spend as much as $24,000 on upgrades and get half back.

    Homes that take full advantage of the program could see their energy bills drop as much as 20%, he said. The program is expected to cost in the $10 billion range.

    It's not clear how the home efficiency plan would be administered - the government may issue rebates to consumers directly, homeowners might get a tax credit, or the program could be run via state agencies.

    If consumers have to spend a lot of money up front to get the credit, it could throw a wrench in the works, David Kreutzer, an energy analyst at the Heritage Foundation, told CNN.

    "This will not be something that's attractive to people who are having trouble already making their budget payments month to month or week to week," he said.

    To keep consumers from having to spend thousands of dollars before getting reimbursed, Nadel said, one idea is to have contractors or big box retailers pay part of the cost up front.

    Fraud issues could also come up, Kreutzer said.

    "Any program that is going to run through a third party and is going to distribute billions of dollars needs to have lots of checks and balances to make sure there's not abuse," he said.

    Nadel noted that as a way to guard against fraud, contractors would have to be certified to participate.

    Energy company boost

    Obama's new spending plan also calls for renewable energy companies to get additional support. That could come in the form of loan guarantees - basically, money the government uses to secure loans for startups.

    In the original stimulus bill passed earlier this year, $6 billion was earmarked for such loan guarantees. But then lawmakers took away $2 billion to fund Cash for Clunkers - the popular program that paid people to turn in their old cars.

    The $4 billion from the original bill has funded about $40 billion in loans, said the staffer on the Senate Energy Committee. Meanwhile, firms are hoping for another $4 billion in loan guarantees, since they have another $40 billion worth of projects that need funding.

    A bill on energy efficiency reimbursements already has supporters in the Senate.

    "Not only will [such legislation] increase our energy security and transform our energy infrastructure to a modern, clean and efficient one," Senate Energy Committee Chairman Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., wrote in a recent op-ed column in the Hill, a Capitol Hill newspaper. "But it also will position the United States to lead in the development of clean energy technologies."

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    #2
    We gots so much money we cant stop blowing it.

    (If you had a printing press, wouldn't you do the same?)

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      #3
      "Quick boys, can you think of anything that will rhyme with 'cash for clunkers'?"

      "What's that, 'Cash for spelunkers'? . . .Perfect."

      I'm hoping that the next will be "cash for waffleswaffleswaffleswaffles-punchers". I'm not sure what it will entail, but it will be good. (and worth the money too)
      -tim
      Originally posted by Jordan
      I like the stance
      -Coining hip terms since 10/9/03

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        #4
        This program, fundamentally, is not a bad idea.

        1) It creates jobs in the private contracting field, thereby stimulating one of the most injured areas of our economy.
        2) It gives homeowners an incentive to transform their homes into more energy-efficient spaces, which, presumably, would eventually reduce dependence on foreign oil, make our country "greener" and give money back to homeowners.
        3) It stimulates spending on new commercial appliances, which could have a beneficial trickle-down effect on many commercial retail chains that have been suffering the effects of the recession.

        Overall, I think he's spot-on with this. This program is one of the better facets of his overall stimulus agenda.
        Originally posted by accident
        I have achieved the title of Douche of the month.
        Discuss.
        Originally posted by kronus
        It was probably pissed off because it didn't want to pay taxes for poor people's healthcare.
        1990 300ZX TT 5spd ($6,000)
        1991 318i 4dr 5spd (DD)

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          #5
          Originally posted by pbr87 View Post
          This program, fundamentally, is not a bad idea.

          1) It creates jobs in the private contracting field, thereby stimulating one of the most injured areas of our economy.
          2) It gives homeowners an incentive to transform their homes into more energy-efficient spaces, which, presumably, would eventually reduce dependence on foreign oil, make our country "greener" and give money back to homeowners.
          3) It stimulates spending on new commercial appliances, which could have a beneficial trickle-down effect on many commercial retail chains that have been suffering the effects of the recession.

          Overall, I think he's spot-on with this. This program is one of the better facets of his overall stimulus agenda.
          b-b-but guvamint spendin!!11 da guvmint spendin munny to make us socialist!
          cars beep boop

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            #6
            Originally posted by kronus View Post
            b-b-but guvamint spendin!!11 da guvmint spendin munny to make us socialist!


            How are we going to get out of this recession?
            The old Classical Economics standpoint---the Invisible Hand?
            Will the entire economy self-correct with no government spending?

            doubtful
            Originally posted by accident
            I have achieved the title of Douche of the month.
            Discuss.
            Originally posted by kronus
            It was probably pissed off because it didn't want to pay taxes for poor people's healthcare.
            1990 300ZX TT 5spd ($6,000)
            1991 318i 4dr 5spd (DD)

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              #7
              So, lets look past the spending, and contemplate the real underlying costs.

              What effects, personal national debt portion withstanding are the people to incur from the "activities" these programs cause?

              The waves in the pool are stacking up, and I feel there will be an effect we can't presume to understand.

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                #8
                Farbin: those 2 will never understand till they go out and make their own money and live on their own merits. Only to discover 40+ % of what the work for is taken form them by force and how little we all get in return for OUR INVESTMENT.
                Originally posted by Fusion
                If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                William Pitt-

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
                  Farbin: those 2 will never understand till they go out and make their own money and live on their own merits. Only to discover 40+ % of what the work for is taken form them by force and how little we all get in return for OUR INVESTMENT.
                  Already done. Between the age of 18 and 20, I lived completely independent of any assistance. Then I decided I didn't want to work in a warehouse for the rest of my life, so I went back to school. Amazing how you can aim to judge my character and my personal history based on a couple of politically charged comments on a car-enthusiast forum.
                  Originally posted by accident
                  I have achieved the title of Douche of the month.
                  Discuss.
                  Originally posted by kronus
                  It was probably pissed off because it didn't want to pay taxes for poor people's healthcare.
                  1990 300ZX TT 5spd ($6,000)
                  1991 318i 4dr 5spd (DD)

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                    #10
                    I get all of my investment.

                    You steal what you need to steal more.

                    Of course not everyone is cut out for robbing banks, both physically and mentally.


                    Variations of this program without calling it a program per se' has been around for a very long time.

                    Oh and re post.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber View Post
                      So, lets look past the spending, and contemplate the real underlying costs.

                      What effects, personal national debt portion withstanding are the people to incur from the "activities" these programs cause?
                      You are a fiscal conservative. I understand this, and I understand the point of view, but I don't agree with it.

                      Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber View Post
                      The waves in the pool are stacking up, and I feel there will be an effect we can't presume to understand.
                      This is a very ambiguous statement. Almost reminds me of Chicken Little screaming: "THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!"
                      Originally posted by accident
                      I have achieved the title of Douche of the month.
                      Discuss.
                      Originally posted by kronus
                      It was probably pissed off because it didn't want to pay taxes for poor people's healthcare.
                      1990 300ZX TT 5spd ($6,000)
                      1991 318i 4dr 5spd (DD)

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                        #12
                        Well thats all well and good, I applaud you for those efforts, congrats you have had a taste of the real world. But you do realize when you start to make better money than 10 bucks an hour in a warehouse YOU PAY A LOT MORE IN TAXES right??? Surely you must with all those Econ classes?????

                        You went back to school good for you. But you have to look at from my point of view you come off like a kid in school (oh wait you are) that is taking all the BS that comes outta your liberal Profs mouth like gospel. Its not. You must see how I can connect those dots based on your posting on politics and world views cant you.


                        Originally posted by pbr87 View Post
                        Already done. Between the age of 18 and 20, I lived completely independent of any assistance. Then I decided I didn't want to work in a warehouse for the rest of my life, so I went back to school. Amazing how you can aim to judge my character and my personal history based on a couple of politically charged comments on a car-enthusiast forum.
                        Originally posted by Fusion
                        If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                        The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                        The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                        Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                        William Pitt-

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                          #13
                          "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you." - Sachel Paige

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber View Post
                            We gots so much money we cant stop blowing it.

                            (If you had a printing press, wouldn't you do the same?)
                            printing money at this rate, it would be wise to buy as many E30s as possible. They will be worth eighty grand each in ten years.

                            1988 325iC Project - FINISHED!
                            Build Thread: http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/show...ht=325iC+paint

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                              #15
                              there already is a rebate program for home insulation and energy efficiency.. it just doesn't give you as much. it covers 1/3rd up to like $500. I'm actually having insulation installed under the floor of my 1920's house, the local energy company is paying for half and the federal government will pay a third, leaving me with 20%. :)

                              fundamentally it's not a bad idea. Future energy savings could actually end up saving the government and everyone else some money. This is the kind of stuff the government should have spent money on - along with road, water, electric and bridge ugprades - instead of the welfare BS we got instead. Unfortunately I somehow doubt the goverment will be able to nail the execution on this one..
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