Cash for Caulkers???

[pbr87]

Well thats all well and good, I applaud you for those efforts, congrats you have had a taste of the real world. But you do realize when you start to make better money than 10 bucks an hour in a warehouse YOU PAY A LOT MORE IN TAXES right??? Surely you must with all those Econ classes?????

Actually, it was $16.75 + incentive when I left, but yes, I see your point. And I plan on going to law school, so I hope I will earn more than $10/hr. I realize how much greater the taxes are. Who I vote for is determined by where these taxes go. Right now, I think Obama is doing an okay job. Certainly a better job than Bush, who spent our taxes on a mis-managed war that has borne poor results at best. Still, Obama could be doing better. I'll reiterate what I said before--I think he should hold off on fixing health care because he is trying to do too much too quickly.

You went back to school good for you. But you have to look at from my point of view you come off like a kid in school (oh wait you are) that is taking all the BS that comes outta your liberal Profs mouth like gospel. Its not. You must see how I can connect those dots based on your posting on politics and world views cant you.

1) It's not all BS
2) I have had at least 2 conservative economics professors.
3) I don't think you're connecting the dots in the right order.

[kronus]

Well thats all well and good, I applaud you for those efforts, congrats you have had a taste of the real world. But you do realize when you start to make better money than 10 bucks an hour in a warehouse YOU PAY A LOT MORE IN TAXES right??? Surely you must with all those Econ classes?????

You went back to school good for you. But you have to look at from my point of view you come off like a kid in school (oh wait you are) that is taking all the BS that comes outta your liberal Profs mouth like gospel. Its not. You must see how I can connect those dots based on your posting on politics and world views cant you.

It's interesting to see that whenever you start arguing with people who went to college, you instantly start claiming that their durn liberal education is all wrong. Not to connect any dots here, but it seems like people of your political persuasion often have a grudge against college education. Any particular reason?

[pureaudio]

Already done. Between the age of 18 and 20, I lived completely independent of any assistance. Then I decided I didn't want to work in a warehouse for the rest of my life, so I went back to school. Amazing how you can aim to judge my character and my personal history based on a couple of politically charged comments on a car-enthusiast forum.

Wow I am amazed, 2 years all on your own. You must have accrued an entire lifetime of experience in those 2 tough years, how did you do it?

[Farbin Kaiber]

I feel that way, because I used to think the same way, and then I grew out of it, when I was 16-19 I was spewing everything I'd been told as the truth, then I guess with age became jaded.

I see the same thing in my little brother, Freshman in College now. He its and berates my opinions with spiels that I would have used 10+ years ago.

I recall a quote I'll have to find to address this.

Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head.

Variants...

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."

"Show me a young conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains."

"If you are not a socialist by the time you are 25, you have no heart. If you are still a socialist by the time you are 35, you have no head."

[mrsleeve]

1) NO not all BS, certainly no, but for me the classes I have been in have had way more BS in them than one would think, and too many kids take it all to seriously.

2) Good, continue to seek them out

3) maybe so but I can only go on the info you have given me to work with

Good luck with law school you plan on using that for a career in politics????? (cheap shot I know :D just could not resist)

For the Record I am not a Boosh fan boy, and did not support Iraq (right war wrong time with no international backing was a stupid move). But the issue remains that we are there for better or worse and we have to support our Armed services and the their mission there and see it though to the end. We mush finish what we have started, something my grandpa taught me, and one of life's greatest lessons on a personal or a international scale. If we dont there will be a victory declared (no matte how hollow) and will become a rallying cry for all the weirdos and extremist out there

We are just gonna have to agree to disagree, and leave it at that

BTW just so you know Conservative Independent, I dont care about party line. Also have been on my own since I moved out, I was 17, had some help from friends families here and there but yeah I guess I am jaded and grew up early.

1) It's not all BS
2) I have had at least 2 conservative economics professors.
3) I don't think you're connecting the dots in the right order.

[pureaudio]

It's interesting to see that whenever you start arguing with people who went to college, you instantly start claiming that their durn liberal education is all wrong. Not to connect any dots here, but it seems like people of your political persuasion often have a grudge against college education. Any particular reason?

That is a pretty asinine question/statement right there. Conservatives do not have a grudge again college education there smarty, they just usually don't have a high opinion of some asshat who sits in their pampered existence, never having worked in the real world, and spouting their opinion as truth. I hated all my professors who were lifetime education who never actually did any of the stuff they are trying to teach about. My favorites were my accounting teachers who taught night classes and ran their own businesses during the day. This has nothing to do with political opinion necessarily, but it does seem coincidental that the ones who never actually accomplished anything were usually the die hard liberals.

[Farbin Kaiber]

You are a fiscal conservative. I understand this, and I understand the point of view, but I don't agree with it.

I guess, I see myself as a "center-right social libertarian".

[nando]

those who can, do. those who can't, teach. ;)

[pbr87]

Wow I am amazed, 2 years all on your own. You must have accrued an entire lifetime of experience in those 2 tough years, how did you do it?

I never claimed to have a lifetime of experience. I was just refuting mrsleeve's implication that I've "never gone out on my own and made my own money"

[assoutE12]

hell yea I've been waiting for this!

[pbr87]

those who can, do. those who can't, teach. ;)

Then how come so many of my economics professors serve on advisory boards, work for economic modeling institutions, do market investment work, etc...

[mrsleeve]

UHHHHH look where all that has gotten us :roll:

That is a pretty asinine question/statement right there. Conservatives do not have a grudge again college education there smarty, they just usually don't have a high opinion of some asshat who sits in their pampered existence, never having worked in the real world, and spouting their opinion as truth. I hated all my professors who were lifetime education who never actually did any of the stuff they are trying to teach about. My favorites were my accounting teachers who taught night classes and ran their own businesses during the day. This has nothing to do with political opinion necessarily, but it does seem coincidental that the ones who never actually accomplished anything were usually the die hard liberals.

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DING DING we have a winner,

nando beat me too it

[pbr87]

It's interesting to see that whenever you start arguing with people who went to college, you instantly start claiming that their durn liberal education is all wrong. Not to connect any dots here, but it seems like people of your political persuasion often have a grudge against college education. Any particular reason?

I notice this too. Conservatives tend to make a generalization that most college professrs are liberal. In economics, finance and business departments, this is certainly not the case.

[dinanm3atl]

This program, fundamentally, is not a bad idea.

1) It creates jobs in the private contracting field, thereby stimulating one of the most injured areas of our economy.
2) It gives homeowners an incentive to transform their homes into more energy-efficient spaces, which, presumably, would eventually reduce dependence on foreign oil, make our country "greener" and give money back to homeowners.
3) It stimulates spending on new commercial appliances, which could have a beneficial trickle-down effect on many commercial retail chains that have been suffering the effects of the recession.

Overall, I think he's spot-on with this. This program is one of the better facets of his overall stimulus agenda.

Let's compare to cash for clunkers... Cool it boosted what it was designed to boost for a couple of months and now they are right back where they are. So we bump up the need for contractors and the workers and then program runs out. Then what?

[Farbin Kaiber]

^ New rounds of unemployment.