Was Harry S. Truman a War Crimminal?

[LBJefferies]

let me just highlight that phrase.

(hint: observe the usage of the words "post" and "before")

Its pretty simple really. Before the war was over (when we were still allied with the Soviet Union), it was known that the Soviets would be a threat once the war ended.

[pbr87]

Your dates are off too. You said yourself that they didn't test their first bomb until 1949.

Maybe you should get your dates and background info right before saying that the Soviets weren't a threat. Everybody knows that the Soviets were considered a post war threat even before the war was over.

The Truman Doctrine was not founded solely on the presumption of a nuclear arms race, persay, but rather on disagreements over how to restructure Europe.

[der affe]

this is going to hurt, but in a small aspect tom is right. we always saw russia as a threat, more as a threat in the way of communism and Stalin, not so much russia itself.

germany was ther larger threat and we needed them to help tie up germany on 2 fronts to defeat them. we also need them to help tie up japan, the second larger threat, by way of china. we were allies by necesstiy, not really choice.
it was decided to defeat germany first, than japan and THEN deal with what might happen with russia after the war. we knew it would not be good though.

dropping the a bomb had little to do with the threat to russia. besides shouldn't you be rooting for communism tom?
are you butt hurt it failed in russia?

do a little reading, the invasion of japan was estimated to cost some possable 1.5-2 million mre american/allied lives and drag things on 1 or more years.

if you want to crap on truman, attact some of his later dealings, not his decision to drop the bomb.

[pbr87]

Its pretty simple really. Before the war was over (when we were still allied with the Soviet Union), it was known that the Soviets would be a threat once the war ended.

Your usage of "post" and "before" in the same sentence was very unbecoming of someone who is supposedly so logical.

[mrsleeve]

The Truman Doctrine was not founded solely on the presumption of a nuclear arms race, persay, but rather on disagreements over how to restructure Europe.

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Isnt that what I just said in the post hOlmes didn't understand in regards to the truman doctrine ??????

[iamsam]

that actually made sense. so I'm

oh it just sounds funny, Soviets were considered a POST WAR thread BEFORE the war was over. Can I at this time consider say North Korea as a Post war-on-terror threat?

well, it can actually make sense i guess...

[Dozyproductions]

well, it can actually make sense i guess...

:)

[iamsam]

Its pretty simple really. Before the war was over (when we were still allied with the Soviet Union), it was known that the Soviets would be a threat once the war ended.

i see where you are coming from, just sounded funny at first. Well never mind then, carry on...

EDIT: sheesh things are moving fast in this thread. every time i make a post, i am already like 5 posts too late...

[Alkasquawlik]

Your dates are off too. You said yourself that they didn't test their first bomb until 1949.

Maybe you should get your dates and background info right before saying that the Soviets weren't a threat. Everybody knows that the Soviets were considered a post war threat even before the war was over.

He stated that the Soviets didn't drop the first bomb until 1949. Obviously WWII was over by that time.

Hiroshima bomb (dropped by Americans) - 1945

Truman Doctrine - 1947

Soviet's first atomic bomb - 1949

Is that clear enough for you?

[Alkasquawlik]

The Truman Doctrine was not founded solely on the presumption of a nuclear arms race, persay, but rather on disagreements over how to restructure Europe.

Even more so on the containment of communism.

[Farbin Kaiber]

That makes a lot of sense...

[Dozyproductions]

That makes a lot of sense...

this thread was needing the suttle

[kishg]

not by 1945 standards no..

[pbr87]

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Isnt that what I just said in the post hOlmes didn't understand in regards to the truman doctrine ??????

I don't know. I didn't read your post. If it is, then I agree with you. I'm just trying to get LBJeffries to admit she's wrong.

[mrsleeve]

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Well blow it out your ass too then, :) Oh and you wont get hOlmes to do that, been trying to do that for a couple of years, he sticks to the garbage hes been fed, like its fact and not been twisted to suit a progressive agenda.

Even more so on the containment of communism.

Yes you are correct but you have to remember in the years leading up to WWII that Communism and Fascism in general were all the sheik in the 20's and 30's. Many many people in the west thought it was the way to go to follow the examples of the Italians, most of eastern Europe and the Russians before the war broke out.

The need to stop the spread of communism was as much about protecting our way of life as much as it was about helping countries that asked for it in keeping communism out.