MLM pyramid schemes

[gstuning]

Don´t be idiotic.

The business is retailing products to customers.
Nobody get´s any money at all if there aren´t products sold.
Same goes for any such scheme. It´s mathematics.

The people at the top have to do the retail to keep the money coming in.
Everybody at all "levels" has to do hardwork,

The money is NOT coming from recruiting people in but getting retail customers to purchase. No MLM will work if there is no actual work being done,
I´d hate to even imagine the crappy MLM setup if the plan is to recruit people only.
The people we work with have been developing the retail side for 13years and the company has been around for 85years.
Alot of people who work besides my gf have no interest in levels or making lotso money, they do retail which satisfies their need for extra income.

[LBJefferies]

Don´t be idiotic.

The business is retailing products to customers.
Nobody get´s any money at all if there aren´t products sold.
Same goes for any such scheme. It´s mathematics.

The people at the top have to do the retail to keep the money coming in.
Everybody at all "levels" has to do hardwork,

The money is NOT coming from recruiting people in but getting retail customers to purchase. No MLM will work if there is no actual work being done,
I´d hate to even imagine the crappy MLM setup if the plan is to recruit people only.
The people we work with have been developing the retail side for 13years and the company has been around for 85years.
Alot of people who work besides my gf have no interest in levels or making lotso money, they do retail which satisfies their need for extra income.

Take a look at your math again buddy. If a company charges a couple hundred bucks to recruit a new representative, then money IS being made without selling actual products. That's why MLM's are such a scam. They make all the money from recruiting and when the pyramid becomes unsustainable they just cut and run leaving the people at the bottom with nothing.

The presentation I listened to was almost completely devoted to recruiting. Of the two hours, 15 minutes at most was spent on talking about the actual product which was obsolete land line video phone service.

Sure, money can be made in MLM. But you have to be a serious sleeze to bullshit people into joining the program or buying the shitty product you are selling. It only works for the scum bags at the top.

[Wh33lhop]

Don´t be idiotic.

The business is retailing products to customers.
Nobody get´s any money at all if there aren´t products sold.
Same goes for any such scheme. It´s mathematics.

The people at the top have to do the retail to keep the money coming in.
Everybody at all "levels" has to do hardwork,

The money is NOT coming from recruiting people in but getting retail customers to purchase. No MLM will work if there is no actual work being done,
I´d hate to even imagine the crappy MLM setup if the plan is to recruit people only.
The people we work with have been developing the retail side for 13years and the company has been around for 85years.
Alot of people who work besides my gf have no interest in levels or making lotso money, they do retail which satisfies their need for extra income.

Yeah, who makes any money at all when $200 "joining fees" are being paid left and right. At least you give customers a product when you run a real business, instead of false hope.

Some guy tried to recruit me when I was like 18, it all sounded fishy at first then he told me that I shouldn't tell anyone like my parents about it until he'd had a chance to talk to them first, because "he didn't want them to get the wrong idea." So of course that set off a red flag, I did exactly that and they knew exactly what was up. He called back and, holding out an ounce of hope I asked how much revenue they generated annually by selling their phone service or whatever it was compared to from recruitment. The guy just hung up.

When I deflected by saying I didn't have the $400 or whatever they wanted just lying around, that fuck even encouraged a loan from a family member. Fuck MLM.

[Rigmaster]

Don´t be idiotic.

The business is retailing products to customers.
Nobody get´s any money at all if there aren´t products sold.
Same goes for any such scheme. It´s mathematics.

The people at the top have to do the retail to keep the money coming in.
Everybody at all "levels" has to do hardwork,

The money is NOT coming from recruiting people in but getting retail customers to purchase. No MLM will work if there is no actual work being done,
I´d hate to even imagine the crappy MLM setup if the plan is to recruit people only.
The people we work with have been developing the retail side for 13years and the company has been around for 85years.
Alot of people who work besides my gf have no interest in levels or making lotso money, they do retail which satisfies their need for extra income.

First off, you're never going to convince me that it's about selling- the only people who make any money in these things are those who get in early and have lots of people in their downline. If you get in early enough, and/or you're really good or lucky at recruiting people to be under you- you'll make money no matter what the product- as long as the company stays in business.


It's ridiculous of these companies to force people to buy a certain amount of the products they want to sell, just for the privilege of selling it. Most of the people who don't make any money never speak up because they don't want to be seen as idiots.


If your company is so great- why not tell us all who it is, maybe we can make some extra money if the products are so great.



I challenge anyone to show me an MLM that has such great products that they are highly sought after by the general public.


I'm waiting.................

[gstuning]

I think you guys are really thinking that MLM and Pyramid Schemes are the exact same things.

My GF works 8-10 hours a day doing the retail bit.
She has about 1000 customer in her database,

The company is www.kleeneze.co.uk and has been around for 85years doing MLM.
In the short of it, you drop of catalogs to peoples houses, they either don´t look at it and put it outside again, look at it and don´t order anything, they look and order something, you come along 2 days later and pick it up from outside all these houses. Collecting the order forms.
So there is no interaction between you and people/customers.
If somebody does order, you order that with the company, then bring it around to the peoples houses and collect the cash(some %´s are yours and some goes back to the company). Here is where it´s really important to setup a system of delivery dates, collect their phone numbers as my gf delivers about 50-60 orders a week and puts out 300 catalogs a week on average. And it´s a massive jumple trying to coordinate the operation.

My GF retails for about $4k every month. A husband and wife team can do about $7-8k
She has one team member which is a stay at home mom that is collecting about $350-400/month from doing this catalog stuff in her spare time.

Why did she want to do this? Cause she can take a break anytime she likes, and with her on the side jobs this is very important. She travels between countries as a tour guide, It´s not easy to keep a job where you can go away anytime you like.

She´s now moving on to get some team members as there really is a limit of how many orders a month can be delivered and catalogs put out. So with doing retail only there is just a time controlled salary. I.e there is only so much you can do every month.

When you start doing retail you don´t have to buy anything aside from the amount of catalogs you would like to put out. You don´t buy any products unless customers order them(in which you don´t have to front the money before hand either, as you get credit with the company to do orders). There is also no special joining fee, the money you choose to spend on catalogs is all it takes to join. The cost of them is the same if your joining or already working. And as you now have catalogs it´s yours to try and earn there cost back(which takes about 3 weeks)

Any REAL MLM company must do retailing business otherwise it will just collapes on it´s own. Any team that doesn´t revolve around maintaining a strong customer base will also fail.

[george graves]

I think you guys are really thinking that MLM and Pyramid Schemes are the exact same things.

http://www.yikers.com/video_the_office_pyramid_scheme.html

[b*saint]

I think people should just work for their fucking money.

[markseven]

They are based about 15 min from me up here. Ther are known as quite the company up here.


And, the one that almost got me that I couldn't remember the name...

2by2.net

They are some shysters. They roll up to events looking like ballers in rented exotics with stickers on the sides... Looks like the Feds closed them up years ago now...

http://www.in-my-opinion.org/in-my-o...72e47efb5f4ed4

Yeah, Melaluca is very big, from what I hear. It's similar to Avon, decent products and an alright price, but why not just buy from Costco, ya know?

I remember 2by2, and they are exactly as you described! Back in Y2K, near my house there was a new Lexus GS with fast-n-furious style (huge) 2by2 stickers on it. Surprisingly I never visited that web site to see what it was :p

[VacMan]

Surprised no one has mentioned Mon-A-Vie yet. I have a friend who's a chiropractor and makes a couple grand a month on the side doing Mon-A-Vie part-time. I went to a meeting with him (primarily to get him to stop badgering me) and I can see where it might make sense to some people. There were several people there who are millionaires because of their efforts and even more directly from the efforts of the people under them.

It's not for me, but some people are making bank from it. The way you make money, just like in all MLM, is from recruiting. Anyone who tells you differently is a liar. If you want to call it "selling" because you're selling the concept to new people, fine by me. But it is not selling in the traditional sense.

[Farbin Kaiber]

They have a new one up here called Jule. It's some silly liquid that costs way too much and does jack shit for health.

[Kruzen]

I've dabbled in quite a bit of MLM stuff in the past two years with certain amounts of success.

What I found is that it's worth the time you put into it if you have a good product to market and can get other people on board.

At one point I was making about $2k a month off of repeat purchases from people I had sold products to for as little work as setting up a website (see sig) and directing traffic to it.

The big problem i've had is finding time to dedicate, as well as getting other people on board because people are naturally skeptics.

I've found a lot more success in affiliate marketing and ad revenue but as with all things, it takes upkeep to continue a normal flow of money. When life gets busy my profits plunge to ground floor, when I spend a month busting ass again they go way up.

Just do your research and get in with a team of people that want to succeed, it's a lot easier to make money with a group of people then by yourself.

I'm about to get involved in another one here in the next few months that shows a fair amount of potential and has made a lot of people a lot of money for very little effort (it's a meal replacement type deal) and a few people I know have gotten good results from the product, which makes it easy to sell.

Just use your best judgement and you won't get burned. I've probably invested $500 total in product purchases over the last two years but i've also made about $10k from various ventures. Not enough to pay the bills but definitely enough to buy some nice toys and float through the hard months when unexpected things come up.

Edit: Funnily enough, I've made about $3k off of selling web design services to other people who sign up for some MLM's and come across my sites want want to buy a site for themselves, get some videos made, etc. Providing services for MLM junkies is way more lucrative then you would imagine. Get some web design skills and then go market the shit out of yourself at those summit meetings and you will be rolling in so much cash you won't know what to do.

[Dave]

Edit: Funnily enough, I've made about $3k off of selling web design services to other people who sign up for some MLM's and come across my sites want want to buy a site for themselves, get some videos made, etc. Providing services for MLM junkies is way more lucrative then you would imagine. Get some web design skills and then go market the shit out of yourself at those summit meetings and you will be rolling in so much cash you won't know what to do.

Nothing funny about that. In any of these schemes, look at the people at the "top" levels. You'll find that most of them have their hands in (or their spouses hands in) the various "vendors" out there. Also, most of them make as much or more on seminars and speaking engagements to the sheep as they do on their commissions.

A former colleague of mine represented someone who was big in Amway/Quixtar. The guy made serious bank off of his educational programs, tapes, etc and made much less off of the actual pyramid.

[TooTall90]

yeah, im involved with prepaid legal. it does not really work like the previous pyramid schemes mentioned.

you get paid when you sell the service, which is access to an attorney and identity theft protection for roughly $25.00 a month, and not when you recruit people. you are encouraged to recruit people and build a small team then you get paid when they sell as well. i paid about $75.00 to join and my mom wanted to join under me, i made my money back and then some the same day.

they do have weekly meetings that cost $15 bucks but i never go since they are not necessary. they are also very legit if you look them up they are part of NYSE, i cant really remember the details.

its good to make some money on the side of my hourly job, cheap to join, and you def. can have alot of success depending on how much time you dedicate to it. my only real complaint is that my friend that introduced me to it, and from what i hear many others, become too invested in it and thats pretty much all they talk about. always looking for people to join.