Obama State of the Union

[e30amour]

goddamn no-good communist socialist fascist fuck. I hope he chokes on his tie.

uninformed...ignorant. calling obama a communist and fascist...flaunting a palin 2012 sign...seriously?
...some of these posts are fucking astounding how stupid they are.

[KenC]

The nation of origin of those who planned/executed the attacks of 9/11 may have been Saudi Arabia, however, their entire operation and organization was/is based out of Afghanistan. Where would you go after them?

For the record, I was/am against both engagements.

Oh btw I dont think war is a good thing at any time, some times its necessary and if you get into it, you should see it through to the end.

We need to get waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswafflesfooting around and actually approach it like a war. We should not be afraid of nukes.

[mrsleeve]

Lee we didnt get our ass kicked by the NVA, We got beat by our own rules and politics.

Atrocities?????? name a few???????


15 years, we didnt have combat troops on the ground till march of 1965. sure there were a few advisers and air base and support crews but as far as combat, 65 was the year. Ended in 74 so really it was 9 years and couple of months of active combat operations, far cry from 15 years of atrocities.

Why dont you go talk to some of these veterans from any of these conflicts, and get a real 1st hand account.

Oh btw I dont think war is a good thing at any time, some times its necessary and if you get into it, you should see it through to the end, something that has not been done in a while.

I miss these threads.

[Massive Lee]

All I hear is excuses. Politicians this. Politicians that. Fuck that.

The US got their butt kicked in Nam after 15 years of atrocities. They'll have their butt kicked in Afghanistan and in Iraq because there's no way out. There was not one single reason to start both conflicts. Period. The reasons to enter these conflicts were all bogus. Fighting Reds in Nam and fighting terrorism in Afghanistan and Iraq. That's called hunting for White Elephants. Vietnam has never attacked the US. Afghans and Iraqis have never attacked the US either. The so-called terrorist mastermind is a Saudi. But hey, it's not too practical that he comes from the same family that supplies oil, so let's find scapegoats...

Whatever the US "patriots" on these board are taught to think, these are three shamefull wars that the US hasn't or won't win. And I am quite happy that it's only a minority of Americans who think how great these wars are/were. There are way more "wars" to fight within the country BTW.

[ck_taft325is]

You live in Canada. Why are you even in this discussion? We all understand you're all for the state (Government) wiping your asshole and taking care of everything so you don't have to think for yourself. I'd be thrilled if you just stayed in Canada forever.

@ Massive Lee.

[gwb72tii]

And will be known for the posterity as having been humiliated in most of them...

you really do need to study history lee
this is an ignorant statement at best

lets take viet nam as an example
the reason we left is democrats back home refused to fund the follow-up to the war after the NORTH sued for peace. the north had its ass whipped during the tet offensive. they lost the war. they sued for peace.
only after the peace accords the usa abandoned the south due to political pressures brought to bear back in the USA. the democrats refused to support the south and the rest is history. you can blame the killing fields directly on the back the congress.
humiliation. yes, but not for what you think.

[mrsleeve]

Yeah we sure showed them Iraqi's, Afghan's, Vietnamese and Koreans. :roll:

And will be known for the posterity as having been humiliated in most of them...

You 2 fucking idiots really must have failed history huh, along with little concept of how and why we were involved.


Korea, North invades south, South asks for help, the USA and the Brits come to the rescue. Once the allies begin to push the Commies back north of the 38th all the way to the Chinese boarder. The Chinese see this and throw 200,000 men into the party, a month latter another 1/2 a million, this pushed the allies back below the 38th, China admits that is cost them 390,000 Killed in action to gain that back, allies could not shoot them fast enough and were running outta ammo and getting over run. You also have to remember the ROE that the allies had, it was like fighting with a hand in a sling.

Nam, again North invades south, the French said fuck it and and bailed out. Then when the south askes for help again America to the rescue. The ROE there were like trying to fight with 1 armed tied behind your back, the other hand cuffed to it and one broken leg. You see US forces could not operate in a conventional manner to limit civilian losses. Issue being with that is No one had any idea when you came upon a civilian if they were friend or foe. The NVA used women and children as human bombs and shields to ambush US forces trying to protect them.

As for the 2 current issues, same things as nam but in a different place and difernat reason for involvement but with a more fanatical enemy, and even stricter ROE.

You see we have not won a major engagement in a truly decisive manner since WWII because the politicians Wont let them win. They make the ROE and the scope of action so narrow that it gives the enemy all the advantage and they know it and use it to the fullest.

To surmise, in the simplest way that your liberal brains will comprehend, Kinder and Gentler dose not MIX WELL with WAR. War and combat are dirty, horrible, terrible things to have to go through. But to come out on top you must press every advantage, show no quarter, and never stop till you win. Yes people that shouldn't have to will die, or get hurt and every one of those is a tragedy in and of itself. The bigger travesty is the men and women that put their lives on the line every day to protect those people and yours and mine, die in a futile effort, thanks to the Politico's not letting them do what is necessary to end it.

[Aptyp]

And will be known for the posterity as having been humiliated in most of them...

beats the fuck out of praising a queen

I will admit I have not gotten all the way through it and jumped around abit. Maybe I just hit the bad spots, but all I got from that is "I won" "You are gonna do as I want" "and stop fighting me"

I've watched about 20mins of it. I'd like to finish it. It only took a year for him to sit down with republicans and he did publicly. In the mean time, he met with a number of unaccompanied republicans in private sessions. It surely took him a long time and dive in approval to deliver bipartisanship.

[Massive Lee]

Yeah we sure showed them Iraqi's, Afghan's, Vietnamese and Koreans. :roll:

And will be known for the posterity as having been humiliated in most of them...

[LBJefferies]

Good luck to you folks in Europe, keep and care for as many radical Muslims as you wish. When you get scared of them, America will be there to answer your screams for help, just as we've always been. We love nothing more than fucking people up on their turf.

Yeah we sure showed them Iraqi's, Afghan's, Vietnamese and Koreans. :roll:

[mrsleeve]

Aptyp, that video is from the day after the SOU. You guys should really all watch it.

I will admit I have not gotten all the way through it and jumped around abit. Maybe I just hit the bad spots, but all I got from that is "I won" "You are gonna do as I want" "and stop fighting me"

[kronus]

Where the hell do you find all these radical muslims. I´m sure there are some,
But they are drowned out by the rest of the ordinary muslims. It´s disturbing how you label them all in as the same.

By the way, the last time we "screamed for help" we basically got ignored. It took the attack of pearl harbor to get your goverment in gear.


All I hear from you is fear mongering.

It's all he is capable of doing. Reason, logic, and rhetoric do not work.

Aptyp, that video is from the day after the SOU. You guys should really all watch it.

[Anthrax]

Good luck to you folks in Europe, keep and care for as many radical Muslims as you wish. When you get scared of them, America will be there to answer your screams for help, just as we've always been. We love nothing more than fucking people up on their turf.

Where the hell do you find all these radical muslims. I´m sure there are some,
But they are drowned out by the rest of the ordinary muslims. It´s disturbing how you label them all in as the same.

By the way, the last time we "screamed for help" we basically got ignored. It took the attack of pearl harbor to get your goverment in gear.


All I hear from you is fear mongering.