Dear Southern States

[Jand3rson]

Not to mention, it's killing our local economy, as well as hundreds of others in the PNW that depend on the snow for winter-time recreation/employment/economy.

[Aptyp]

[GaryE30]

We got a weak excuse for snow last night. Only lasted about 1 hour and is now completely gone. It completely hopped over SC... FML.

I'm also tired of the cold. You guys are more than welcome to come here and take it back with you. Our cheap ass college apartments aren't built for extreme weather conditions (hot or cold). NO insulation... cinderblock walls.

[Stevie30]

Roads are finally clear here. I'm going for a short cruise this afternoon to check out the snow scenes.

[mrsleeve]

I have not been home since May, and prolly wont get home this winter to hit the hill, but we only have about 131 inches up there, we are well below average again this year, normal is 300 inches a year and with a month or so left, not gonna make it.

Talked to some friends and I guess we are getting more rain in the valley this year than we have snow

[Rede30eS]

My areas only had about 3-4 snow storms this winter.. really blows. Unlike the year before, that number was probably 20ish.

[whysimon]

we got a shit ton of ice and maybe an 2"

[sweetride01]

Nope, don't wonder at all. And I'm not going to be a dick about it, either. Every few decades there are a few really cold seasons and a few really warm seasons, and every time there are a bunch of smart-asses that use ass-backwards "scientific" approach to act like the world is coming to an end.

Please do not get me into a debate... I'm too tired.

At a very simple level, global warming makes sense entirely... the temperature of earth (as with any physical body) is a result of the net radiation gain or loss, therefore taking into account the total incoming radiation and total outgoing radiation. Water is infact the biggest greenhouse gas. You should realise why if you understand some basic physics/chemistry. Water has been around just about forever as far as we're concerned.
What has changed, however, is the increase in CO2 and methane levels... the two other most potent greenhouse gases being released into the atmosphere. These increases result in less of the incoming radiation from the sun being transmitted back into space. Translation: Global Warming.
It's not neuroscience.

What is happening this year is El Nino... and apparently a stong one. Google is your friend (even if I do think they are trying to take over the world).
There are so many factors involved in determining local climate conditions at any one time... hence why the weather guy is wrong so often.

And, before you go calling scientists "unscientific" and "smart-asses" perhaps you should consider what they had to do to achieve their knowledge and influence, vs. what oil companies had to do to achieve their influence.
That's right, who's got something to lose if we cut oil usage? Not the scientists. And who's got something to really gain by calling it a hoax? That's right, the oil companies.


No hate against another r3v-er, but I do suggest however that you take a good think about your opinions on the idea that global warming is a hoax.

[318isbmw]

This winter in spokane is so much nicer than last year. You guys should have been this side of the state, had snow everywhere last 2 years, its amazing to not have any. Although having a brand new libtech board and no snow is gay.

[hoveringuy]

I've been in in shorts and a t-shirt almost all January.

In Seattle!

[87-325ic]

Earth's climate is controlled by Milankovitch cycles (the wobble of the earth on its axis and the non-perfect and ever changing shape of its path around the sun). They are cycles, meaning they ebb and flow, come and go. it is the reason we have ice ages and warm periods (of which we are in one now). Will this happen forever? probably. Are we changing anything? YES.
make your own decisions based on this. the argument goes both ways from here.

[e30prideTN]

we got a shit ton of ice and maybe an 2"

You're not that far from me and we got 3-4" in Hendersonville. I didn't have to go to work :D

[sweetride01]

Earth's climate is controlled by Milankovitch cycles (the wobble of the earth on its axis and the non-perfect and ever changing shape of its path around the sun). They are cycles, meaning they ebb and flow, come and go. it is the reason we have ice ages and warm periods (of which we are in one now). Will this happen forever? probably. Are we changing anything? YES.
make your own decisions based on this. the argument goes both ways from here.

I have to agree there... another good point. There is plenty of variation in past climate, including the Little Ice Age (~1600AD) as well as fairly recent warm periods. The scary bit is when you look at how quickly the climate and oceans have warmed over the past 100 years or so...

[Aptyp]

Please do not get me into a debate... I'm too tired.

At a very simple level, global warming makes sense entirely... the temperature of earth (as with any physical body) is a result of the net radiation gain or loss, therefore taking into account the total incoming radiation and total outgoing radiation. Water is infact the biggest greenhouse gas. You should realise why if you understand some basic physics/chemistry. Water has been around just about forever as far as we're concerned.
What has changed, however, is the increase in CO2 and methane levels... the two other most potent greenhouse gases being released into the atmosphere. These increases result in less of the incoming radiation from the sun being transmitted back into space. Translation: Global Warming.
It's not neuroscience.

By your own definition there, it's GLOBAL COOLING, hence Climate Change has been introduced as a BRAND SPANKING SPECTACULAR NEW politically correct term for changes in our environment. The scientific logic you used in that paragraph was the approach scientists used to predict Nuclear Winter. Global Warming would be radiation getting trapped under greenhouse gases and not escape our atmosphere. There, two opposite ideologies divided by ~20 years. History is full of famines associated with "climate changes".

What is happening this year is El Nino... and apparently a stong one. Google is your friend (even if I do think they are trying to take over the world).
There are so many factors involved in determining local climate conditions at any one time... hence why the weather guy is wrong so often.

Weather guys are wrong often, because there's still a lot to learn about weather patterns. They generalize a very broad sience for very large territories and every probability law is stacked against them being 100% accurate. Also don't act like there were never hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis, floods, earthquakes or any other natural disasters. Every culture has stories of really bad-ass disasters. Every culture has widespread panic and eventual societal downturn. It took centuries and millennia and people have been able to figure out some of the events using factual science.

And, before you go calling scientists "unscientific" and "smart-asses" perhaps you should consider what they had to do to achieve their knowledge and influence, vs. what oil companies had to do to achieve their influence.
That's right, who's got something to lose if we cut oil usage? Not the scientists. And who's got something to really gain by calling it a hoax? That's right, the oil companies.

AND, before you make such a case for scientists and against oil companies, remember this. NO INDUSTRY EMPLOYS MORE GRADUATE DEGREES THAN OIL INDUSTRY. In other words, there are more scientist working with oil than there are scientists working in environmental fields. Start from drilling that requires geologist, environmentalists, biologists and a massive amount of engineers. Then there's transportation and distribution side of it. There are millions of oil derivatives and by-product based industries. Nearly entire step of the way industry employs very highly educated people. In fact, a lot of times to get an engineering position with some of the bigger oil companies, PH.D. is a requirement.




I am not saying there's no such thing as Climate Change. There is. Climate always changes. It globally warms up and globally cools down. What I am saying is, we can't take every cookie idea someone has and follow it blindly, because it's mainstream at the time. Every scientist can agree with a theory, but it takes real scientific studies over time. Ice samples from North and South poles show Earth's environmental changes over thousands of years. They show severe climate changes even before humans became such parasites. Distorted, out of context bar and pie-charts are thrown out there by every group and rarely match. Then there are companies that bluntly misconstrue the data to promote "green" products, even when they're bigger environmental devastators (hybrids, number of recyclers, great number of "alternative" energies).

I am all for recycling, I am all for conservation of resources, and I am 100% for alternative energy, but I am against using Climate Change as an excuse to do what should be common sense to some people or be a life choice for others. This self-righteousness and self-awareness that comes from mass media and not from scientific reassurance and evidence is nothing short of hypochondria.

This has nothing to do with political or religious views. Media and politicians depend on anecdotal evidence to sway public's opinion and it forces people to become self-conscious to the point of panic. I am against sheep panicking, because people going extreme over climate, in my eyes, aren't any better than pricks on the corner yelling "God hates fags".








AND SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE ALL THIS SNOW, so I can go to work tomorrow without drift lessons.

[StereoInstaller1]

AND SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE ALL THIS SNOW, so I can go to work tomorrow without drift lessons.

Didn't even think this would start a debate, but all weather threads seem to break down into one sooner or later.

In the meantime, I was hoping for a snow day or three, part of a normal winter up here.

Got nuthin so far this year.