Canada's Health Care

[mrsleeve]

You know in terms of big business I don't believe health insurance companies make even close to the amounts of profit other businesses bring in. Somebody research that.

IIRC united medical. Profit for 08 were on the order of 2-2.5% of total revenue. Seems fair to me..... that means outta the nearly 10k in premiums they profited at most 250 bucks on me in the grand schema of things

[Raxe]

that sounds great for canadians to piggy back off our system. But what if out healthcare went the same path? What if no one was like us now and no one had a strong drive for innovation and everyone had long wait times. . .

We'd all be SOL.

[rwh11385]

We'd all be SOL.

Except, of course, the fat, lazy, un-exercised, and poor Americans who would have their lives prolonged a little more at the cost of the government, and the taxpayers. (and ultimately Canadians, and the rest of the world)

[LBJefferies]

that sounds great for canadians to piggy back off our system. But what if out healthcare went the same path? What if no one was like us now and no one had a strong drive for innovation and everyone had long wait times. . .

Maybe innovation should stop? This planet doesn't have infinite resources you know.

[joshh]

The point here is the US is far above what Canada can do when it comes to surgery and medical advances.
Is there some reason he can't have a doctor from Canada do this? From a different provice?

[Fendego]

I thought it was a perfect model for the US to follow.... Why is Danny Williams coming to America to have heart surgery?




N.L. Premier Danny Williams is scheduled to have surgery this week. (CBC) Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is set to undergo heart surgery this week in the United States.


CBC News confirmed Monday that Williams, 59, left the province earlier in the day and will have surgery later in the week.


The premier's office provided few details, beyond confirming that he would have heart surgery and saying that it was not necessarily a routine procedure.


Deputy Premier Kathy Dunderdale is scheduled to hold a news conference Tuesday morning.


She's expected to provide more details about Williams's condition, as well as how the provincial government will function during his absence.


CBC reporter David Cochrane said Williams appeared to be in good health recently. He described the premier as "fairly active," playing pick-up hockey at least once a week when work permits.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundlan...#ixzz0eM9DEC3L

You must have never been without basic essentials such as having the option to go see a primary care doctor huh? You must not see homeless people walking the streets who have mental illness. I would much rather be able to go and see a primary care doctor for free and have to wait longer for heart surgery than to have no health care at all. Anyways the plan proposed would allow anyone with a health care plan they liked to keep it! The purpose of national health care is to help those who are in need. Also if more people could see a doctor on a regular basis than less people would need major operations! If people cannot understand the purpose of community than they should not live in a unified country. Go live in the woods of you don't want or need the support of a community.

[joshh]

You must have never been without basic essentials such as having the option to go see a primary care doctor huh? You must not see homeless people walking the streets who have mental illness. I would much rather be able to go and see a primary care doctor for free and have to wait longer for heart surgery than to have no health care at all. Anyways the plan proposed would allow anyone with a health care plan they liked to keep it! The purpose of national health care is to help those who are in need. Also if more people could see a doctor on a regular basis than less people would need major operations! If people cannot understand the purpose of community than they should not live in a unified country. Go live in the woods of you don't want or need the support of a community.

Another bleeding heart. You believe healthcare is a right obviously.
Yes many people need help they can't get, but who's going to pay for it? Why the fuck should I pay for the bitch that has 12 kids and can't learn what a condom is for. Or pay for the lazy fucker that does nothing all god damned day long?

I would much rather not have it than wait 6 months for a doctor to possible slice me up or get less than great care.

If I had the money I'd pay for somones heart transplant....only as long as i knew they were or had been a productive part of this country and not a parasite.

[mrsleeve]

Maybe innovation should stop? This planet doesn't have infinite resources you know.

You have said some stupid shit but this I think takes the cake.



Really just shut the fuck up

[Raxe]

Is there some reason he can't have a doctor from Canada do this? From a different provice?

I'm sure there must be some reason, lemme check...

The point here is the US is far above what Canada can do when it comes to surgery and medical advances.

Ah, here it is.




Bravo.

[Mystikal]

The point here is the US is far above what Canada can do when it comes to surgery and medical advances.
Is there some reason he can't have a doctor from Canada do this? From a different provice?

Obviously.

It's a richer country, with an exponentially higher population. What do you expect?

[reelop19]

Richer country? Our National Debt is out of control along with the government who is spending it. We are BROKE 14 trillion times over!!!!! And why are you trying to make excuses for your country not having doctors comparable to ours? Your government could reform their system and make it more profitable for doctors and give them incentives to be better than they are.

[Raxe]

There's a clear confusion between "a good doctor" and "a procedural specialist."

Canada isn't some medical playland with coat hanger abortions and craft supply surgeries done by junkies with a degree from Wikipedia. Canadian doctors are every bit as trained and capable as their US counterparts. A huge part of the problem is the fact that so many doctors receive training in Canada and then move to the states for more money. It's called "brain drain."

The difference lies in the amount of specialized professionals with skills, training and experience above and beyond what is standard. Walk into your average hospital in either country and you will not notice a difference.

[z31maniac]

There's a clear confusion between "a good doctor" and "a procedural specialist."

Canada isn't some medical playland with coat hanger abortions and craft supply surgeries done by junkies with a degree from Wikipedia. Canadian doctors are every bit as trained and capable as their US counterparts. A huge part of the problem is the fact that so many doctors receive training in Canada and then move to the states for more money. It's called "brain drain."

The difference lies in the amount of specialized professionals with skills, training and experience above and beyond what is standard. Walk into your average hospital in either country and you will not notice a difference.

Granted.

I just think everyone is getting at the REASONS WHY those fundamental differences exist.

And most here believe, myself included, it relates to a private vs public run system.

[rwh11385]

A huge part of the problem is the fact that so many doctors receive training in Canada and then move to the states for more money. It's called "brain drain."

The difference lies in the amount of specialized professionals with skills, training and experience above and beyond what is standard. Walk into your average hospital in either country and you will not notice a difference.

Granted.

I just think everyone is getting at the REASONS WHY those fundamental differences exist.

And most here believe, myself included, it relates to a private vs public run system.

Yes - I'm sure if you break a foot, the doctors can take care of you fine at either place... even if the wait might be longer in Canada. A friend broke his foot in the UK and was at the back of the line in the hospital because it was not as important as more life-threatening issues.

And why do people want to eliminate the drive for people to be more talented, more specialized? No one wants only "acceptable" doctors.

[rwh11385]

Maybe innovation should stop? This planet doesn't have infinite resources you know.

Riiiight. The diseases we currently cure should be the only ones we need to? There is no reason to encourage any new treatment? What we have now is acceptable, so the bigger concern is to divvy it up among more people instead of push ahead?

Even if they couldn't afford the greatest high-tech treatments at their introduction, new healthcare approaches have helped even the poorest people and nations as they have tricked down to places like Africa. If we cure AIDs because of the $$$ here in the US, then we can help people a lot more through philanthropy than we can with only good intentions but no cure.

What if we had decided blood letting was "good enough" and other options would have used too many resources... ?