Was Teddy Roosevelt forewarned of Pearl Harbor?

[E30Kaiser]

I will have to read some of those, I recommend "Stuka Pilot" if you haven't already read it. It is the autobiography of Hans Ulrich Rudel, who I consider to be at the very least one of the soldiers of World War II with the most fantastic stories. He was also the highest awarded soldier in the German military. Very interesting individual, who has a lot of commentary for the situation as well as historical and exciting stories. A part of the book that I find funny is when he talks about how the pilots would stay up at night and discuss about how they couldn't understand why the Americans supply the Russians with so much hardware and fight on the same side as them, despite the Russians being evil hahaha.

Most of the books I have read have dealt with strategy and tactics and less with the politics so I would like to read some of those that you posted, especially Albert Speer's book.

[mar1t1me]

Here is an idea, if "teddy" let it happen with the intent of draggin the US into the war, prove it.

It should be easy. Its been over 50 fucking years. Any information that is going to be available is out, anyone who was keeping a secret to keep themselves from being killed by the CIA is dead. There is nobody who benefits from keeping this conspiracy alive.

Its just like JFK, people can make baseless arguments all of the time and when you call them it an idiot its only because you arent "open minded." Find a memo in the archives. Everything has been declassified. Something other than "it was our primary base" (which is odd since we didnt have hostilites that it would be considered a front line) and the "they should have known."

Gee, I didn't think to look in the Great Archive of Secrets! Our government would never destroy information or lie, so it's gotta all be there. Right?

US Government adopted the Nazi tactic embraced by Joseph Goebbels. He believed:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Think of the oft repeated connection between Saddam Hussein and 9/11 that was used to justify the Iraq war. That lie was used until it was no longer politically expedient to do so. In other words, the truth emerged and those who continued to embrace the lie looked like fools. So it was onto the next viable, repeatable lie.... Saddam was a safe haven for terrorists, so we had to act. Never mind that our destabilization created that environment! Now almost 10 years later, democracy has not spread, Iraq is not rebuilt, but the war profiteers are fat and happy.


As well as:

“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.”


And they still do it to great effect.

The Nazi connections run deep. Read the book, or the article.

[Massive Lee]

I don't pretend to know or even attempt to know what Hitler thought, but the whole going to war with the USA seems stupid to me.

Actually, the Germans never wanted to engage into war with the US. They already had British and Russian armies to fight against. Plus all the local guerillas (also called "terrorists" by Nazis). The US didn't want to engage into the European conflict either, especially that freshly out of the 1930s crisis, the US wasn't a strong country (even though they had a huge available manpower for building tanks). Free France (led by De Gaule) and British governements had requested whatever help they could get from the US and were always denied such help. Many reasons for not intervening from the US government. Sure, the limited resources available at that time (the later war effort was mostly supported by war bonds from the public). The Germans were fighting against the evil communists, so why fight the Nazis if they are working toward US interests. So, why did the US finally entered the European conflict? Simple. The German/Russian conflict was all good for the US as long as the Russians were being defeated by the Nazis. But the 1943 Russian winter front proved catastrophic for Hitler's armies. They suffered huge losses, and when Russians started fighting back toward Europe, the US feared that Europe would fall under communist domination (which actually half-happened after the end of the war).

[mar1t1me]

^^^^^ Patton warned 'em. He thought we should take on Russia, with the help of the Germans, while the American armies were in Europe and Russia was still somewhat weakened.

[Massive Lee]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Considering Patton's blanket remarks on Jews, which could also reflect the trend in the US (and other parts of the world) at the time, perhaps the other job the Nazis were doing, and that might have pleased the US, was the "control of Jewish populations". Hmmm.. Did I say that? ;-( During WWII, there were a lot of back and forth between the US government and the Roman Catholic church. The pope never ever say a word on Jewish extermination to the German government, even though the Nazis were mostly Christians and strongly antisemitic, and would have listened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Christians

Actually, there really was a strong anti-Jews/pro-Nazi trend in North America in the 1930s and early 1940s. Yup. Nazi affiliation was trendy as they were doing the job that rightfull Christians were supposed to do... ;-(

[E30Kaiser]

Actually, the Germans never wanted to engage into war with the US.

Yet they declared war on us. As I said, it just doesn't make sense.

The Germans were fighting against the evil communists, so why fight the Nazis if they are working toward US interests. So, why did the US finally entered the European conflict? Simple. The German/Russian conflict was all good for the US as long as the Russians were being defeated by the Nazis.

Yet we started directly engaging German units in 1942 and contributed to the defeat of German units in the east by constantly attacking Ploesti and factories in Germany. If we really wanted the Russian's to get smashed we wouldn't have supplied them with thousands of tanks, vehicles, and aircraft. By 1945 however it was obvious that the USSR would be our next adversary.

[jrhaile]

Hitler's plan all along was to take over Europe and then conquer America. Hitler himself said he was envious of America. Yet the man was building missiles that could reach the shore of the US.

[funcrew]

Was Teddy Roosevelt forewarned of Pearl Harbor?

And, does it make him as culpable as GWB @ 9/11?

Discuss your thoughts...

No, but he did make his mark in history as inventor of the ever-popular "rough rider" condom design.