So Virginia bans O-Care

[ck_taft325is]

I'm interested to see the amendments that come through reconciliation...

You and me both.

[rwh11385]

Why couldn't socialist health care have lost to a #9 seed like Kansas? #obamasbracket

[KenC]

I'm interested to see the amendments that come through reconciliation...

[mrsleeve]

Time to can this thread the debate is now point less


Its Passed we are all fucked




Enjoy the change, hope it works out like you all want it too

[KenC]

Look. Let's be honest. Anything they touch ends up in the crapper. You have a bunch of people that are more interested in backhanded deals and a way to keep their own power than doing the job 'for the people'.

Sorry that I don't buy into the idea they suddenly have figured out how to 'overhaul healthcare'.

You seem to be repeating the same rhetoric in slightly different forms, yet don't articulate any specific concerns. The vast majority of the bill is going to be mandates on insurance companies (which are overwhelmingly popular), and subsidies to purchase insurance.

I guess I'm just trying to dispell the "government takeover" talking point that every clueless person seems to be spouting.

I'm pretty upset that strict tort reform doesn't look like it's making into the ammendments. I really hope that states take up the issue now that it's been placed in the forefront. It narrowly failed here in 2004, and my state's public institutions are struggling due to a recent court case removing any tort cap (which as rediculously low in the first place).

[KenC]

If it passes and ends up being as awful as republicans say it will be, what happens.... republicans take back control of congress, pass a repeal and everything is back to the status quo (rich stay rich, poor stay poor)

I wouldn't say it's that simple... they'd be very difficult to overturn. And the bill certainly isn't establishing any sort of equality regarding distribution of wealth.

[dinanm3atl]

Look. Let's be honest. Anything they touch ends up in the crapper. You have a bunch of people that are more interested in backhanded deals and a way to keep their own power than doing the job 'for the people'.

Sorry that I don't buy into the idea they suddenly have figured out how to 'overhaul healthcare'.

[BlueBMW]

If it passes and ends up being as awful as republicans say it will be, what happens.... republicans take back control of congress, pass a repeal and everything is back to the status quo (rich stay rich, poor stay poor)

[KenC]

I know that. They couldn't get that part of it. So scratch that and try again. Get something else going. Going on months and months and months and just dwindling it down to something that our supposedly 'representatives' will vote for without fear of losing their job.

yawn.

You states that they run the postal service and social security poorly, and then references healthcare. You inferred that the gov't would be running something. I'm just asking what you think they're running?

[Wiglaf]

What was it something like 15% of those polled actually had a clue what was in the bill? So 85% are basing their opinions on what they were "told" to believe by media, friends, whatever.

this.

I'm more willing to beleive that 85% of people don't know wtf they are talking about than to beleive that the government would try this hard to self-destruct. And to be honest, I have not seen the latest version that they are voting on tonight. Which puts me in with that 85%. The last version I did read seemed quite reasonable, and a far cry from a "government takeover".

My feeling is that this is more important as an ice-breaker than anything. It can be fine-tuned with a lot less hassle later if something isn't right with it.

[dinanm3atl]

I know that. They couldn't get that part of it. So scratch that and try again. Get something else going. Going on months and months and months and just dwindling it down to something that our supposedly 'representatives' will vote for without fear of losing their job.

yawn.

[KenC]

I don't know a single person in my family or friends that is interested in this bill. I am a firm believer at looking at past performances to get an 'idea' of what the result could be.

USPS?
Social Security?

We can keep going... Can't setup a budget. Can't run a mail program. Can't run social security. But guys... seriously. They have this healthcare game figured out. Sorry. I am not getting on board with that. I like what I have.

There's no public option. They're not "running" healthcare delivery.

[BlueBMW]

What was it something like 15% of those polled actually had a clue what was in the bill? So 85% are basing their opinions on what they were "told" to believe by media, friends, whatever.

[dinanm3atl]

I don't know a single person in my family or friends that is interested in this bill. I am a firm believer at looking at past performances to get an 'idea' of what the result could be.

USPS?
Social Security?

We can keep going... Can't setup a budget. Can't run a mail program. Can't run social security. But guys... seriously. They have this healthcare game figured out. Sorry. I am not getting on board with that. I like what I have.

[KenC]

I just don't see why the majority of the citizens do not want something yet more than likely we will end up with it. What is the deal with that? Why is that how our government decides to operate. Quite fun really.

It depends on which polls you look at. The funny thing is that when you ask about each portion of the bill separately, people overwhelmingly agree with them, yet when you ask about the bill as a whole w/o mention of specifics, many will then contradict themselves and disapprove of it.

On a side-note, what's with all the damn "public opinion" polls regarding outcomes of the bill!?!? Like I give a damn what Joe-Schmo thinks is going to happen because of it. His opinion on the outcome based solely on ill-informed conjecture is of ANY significance.