So Virginia bans O-Care

[ck_taft325is]

I'm waiting for someone to say, "No, I'm Catholic!"

[joshh]

Here let me clarify it for you, American Capitalism. There is that better?

You Philistines resort to arguing semantics when you have no answer.

The real point is whatever you want to call our system has been BY FAR the best system this world has ever seen. And Obama is trying to dismantle it with Socialism.

[kronus]

The real point is whatever you want to call our system has been BY FAR the best system this world has ever seen. And Obama is trying to dismantle it with Socialism.

It's only the best if you can afford it.

[ck_taft325is]

The real point is whatever you want to call our system has been BY FAR the best system this world has ever seen. And Obama is trying to dismantle it with Socialism.

Or just plain out right hostility against working on actually fixing the problem. His way or the highway.

Where's the tolerance, Dem's? Where did it all go to?

[ck_taft325is]

It's only the best if you can afford it.

The fact is that most people can afford it in this Country. There's ways of making things work. That people want it handed to them is a different story. Can anyone chime in on the stats for actual poverty percentages in America?

As soon as you say, "people deserve xyz" you're saying they deserve to have it handed to them.

[kronus]

The fact is that most people can afford it in this Country. There's ways of making things work. That people want it handed to them is a different story. Can anyone chime in on the stats for actual poverty percentages in America?

As soon as you say, "people deserve xyz" you're saying they deserve to have it handed to them.

Could you afford it?

[ck_taft325is]

Even having been laid off for a year and a half, yes, I could. Even starting a business, in a down turned economy, yes, I could.

If they tax me anymore as a small business owner? No, I really couldn't.

Would it be a sacrifice? Yup. Hugely. I'd drop the S2.79 I have in the garage in the 318is and sell all the pretty crap off it.

The fact is though, I don't hold health insurance high on my priority list. I have a modest savings to cover the kid and wife. Would this cover a severe injury or ill-ness? No, but I'd sell everything I could, including the house to cover what I have to. I have life insurance on myself, so if something catastrophic happens to me, I'd rather die and leave the money to take care of my family.

My wife and I both grew up without health insurance. She's from a family of 6 kids.

[kronus]

No, I mean when you got your face broke.

It seems to me that "oh shit I got a disease, welp I'll just die and let life insurance make it rain on my family" is a naïve strategy that you'll eventually regret ;)

[ck_taft325is]

No, I mean when you got your face broke.

It seems to me that "oh shit I got a disease, welp I'll just die and let life insurance make it rain on my family" is a naïve strategy that you'll eventually regret ;)

I had very, very special circumstances. The luck of the draw was that I was covered under my Pop's health insurance via his work. This is where I 100% agree health care reform is needed! When I went in to get everything checked out, I was not living with my parents. I was paying rent, at the age of 17 to my grandparents. I was 1,100 miles away from my parents. I footed the bill for the ER visit out of pocket. When I was going in to get put back together, literally, my parents had driven down. In order for their coverage to cover me it would have ended up costing another $10,000 or something ridiculous out of pocket. WITH insurance. Again, I 100% agree health care reform is needed. Even at that, the very nice lady behind the desk said their coverage also wasn't valid in the state of CA as he was employed in WA. Not only that, but that it would more than likely not cover the expenses in full.

Could I have afforded health care when I got my face broke? Yes. Did I have it? I was 17. Self explanatory. Did I get ill? Did I break a bone at work or walking across the street? No. I got jumped by a gang of Mexican's prowling the streets. I've no idea how or why the State covered the expenses of putting me back together. I inquired, they said it was taken care of. It was a violent crime, not an accident. Not a stupid mistake. Not an illness.

Of course I would seek treatment. I'm not disputing that health care costs are far to high. They really are. But as Hallen has pointed out numerous times (as have others) this is a direct result of a lot of Government influence and again with the Insurance companies. Malpractice law suits that are frivalous need "reform". I would seek treatment as best I could with what I had. If that's a bottle of advil, then it's a bottle of advil. As it stands right now, because of the severity of my injuries when I was 17, the MD's told me I would need my face worked on within 5 years because trauma of this sort will "settle and shift over time" and "will need to be correct or you can suffer with pain in cold, hot, humid weather and/or even very sensitive to pressure". I deal with it as it comes. I don't have the money to go get my face broken and fixed again. Nor do I want to get H.I. just so I can have that done.

[joshh]

It's only the best if you can afford it.

Absolutely. If we actually pulled the rest of our American heads out of our asses this country would be way better than it already is.
Politicians are lobbyists buddies and large corporations are backed by those same politicians. Makes for a lopsided country.

But whatever the case I don't believe in supporting the lazy.

[kronus]

But whatever the case I don't believe in supporting the lazy.

There's this recurring theme of people who can't afford health insurance being called lazy. I'm curious as to where that comes from, because several of you mentioned that you were poor growing up and did not have health insurance as a result. Were you and your parents lazy?

[ck_taft325is]

Not in the slightest. But we're not saying it doesn't have to be reformed. In fact the opposit. We're just pointing out that how it's being done is wrong.


*Edit*

One other thing on the parents and my childhood... they were TERRIBLE money manages. TERRIBLE. Health Insurance was NOT a priority for them. This doesn't make them lazy. Just perhaps a little naive and or irresponsible at times with their money.

[KenC]

But whatever the case I don't believe in supporting the lazy.

Do you believe all poor people are lazy?

[KenC]

Not in the slightest. But we're not saying it doesn't have to be reformed. In fact the opposit. We're just pointing out that how it's being done is wrong.

For someone that has proven over and over that they know VERY little about the delivery of heathcare (other than having your face reconstructed), you sure seem to have a strong opinion.

[ck_taft325is]

For someone that has proven over and over that they know VERY little about the delivery of heathcare (other than having your face reconstructed), you sure seem to have a strong opinion.

I never claimed to be an expert. Are you one? If so, enlighten me. I'm up for learning ;) And if I'm incorrect, point me in the right direction. Not your opinion or belief, but a fact that I've mistakenly misunderstood or just flat out didn't understand.

Being an expert and being able to spot a blatant lie are very far apart.