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  • gwb72tii
    No R3VLimiter
    • Nov 2005
    • 3864

    #76
    Originally posted by Massive Lee
    Have you ever been around a control freak? You, know, the type of person who bosses everyone, thinks that nothing would work without them and believe they are always right, even when they are totally wrong.
    lee, the control freaks are the liberals in this country that insist in an intrusive federal government. they feel the public is ignorant and stupid, to the point where a controlling government presence in our lives is required.

    that along with the democrats political goals of making us dependant on the government for sustenance and the democrats providing it makes it more likely they will be re-elected and remain in power.

    answer a question. which choice is more compassionate;
    1. taxing others to help pay for your insurance
    2. the government helping create a strong economy with ample economic opportunity

    this country threw off the british and founded a country based on strictly limited government powers which are subservient to the people. obamacare strives to do the opposite.
    “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
    Sir Winston Churchill

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    • KenC
      King of Kegstands
      • Oct 2003
      • 14396

      #77
      Originally posted by ck_taft325is
      You mother is in the smaller percentile of healthcare professionals who think this "reform" will do a damn thing beyond hurt the already struggling system.

      And yes, you've been listening too much to those professors. And your mother dresses you funny! :o

      Yes, people used the ER as a form of Healthcare. This bill does nothing to stop that, but encourages it. It's super Medicare/medicaid.
      Your reference to the majority of health professionals not wanting the bill to pass is absurd and downright false. Nearly every health professional organization in the country endorsed it.

      How does it encourage people to use the ED more now? 32,000,000 fellow Americans will now have access to affordable coverage, and primary care providers are receiving an increase in reimbursement for treating Medicaid patients.
      Originally posted by Gruelius
      and i do not know what bugg brakes are.

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      • Hallen
        E30 Enthusiast
        • Dec 2007
        • 1008

        #78
        Originally posted by Massive Lee
        Have you ever been around a control freak? You, know, the type of person who bosses everyone, thinks that nothing would work without them and believe they are always right, even when they are totally wrong.
        Yes, yes I have. It sounds surprisingly like you.

        There's a difference between stating analysis based off of facts rather than opinion based off of what you want things to be.

        The world would still be here if Americans hadn't shrugged off the British leashes and had become as hopelessly socialized as GB is now. The world would just be a more dangerous and less prosperous place. Things would still work. Things just wouldn't work as well and people wouldn't be nearly as happy, in general, as they are now. The difference is they wouldn't know any better. America has shown a better way. There's just way too many people in the world who refuse to accept the truth. They'd much rather wrap themselves in their own ideology and attack anything that contradicts that secure state of mind.

        We have many examples of socialistic countries. Some of them work, for now. They all work better because America is here. Once America becomes like them, you'll see more decline in the world's standards of living, rough economic times, and little to no opportunity for entrepreneurs like yourself.

        Did you read the article? Did you understand it? Or are you too afraid to confront your own ideology and prefer to attack the messenger because that's the only way you know how to defend your position?
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        • ck_taft325is
          R3V OG
          • Sep 2007
          • 6880

          #79
          Originally posted by KenC
          Your reference to the majority of health professionals not wanting the bill to pass is absurd and downright false. Nearly every health professional organization in the country endorsed it.

          How does it encourage people to use the ED more now? 32,000,000 fellow Americans will now have access to affordable coverage, and primary care providers are receiving an increase in reimbursement for treating Medicaid patients.

          That's how it was sold. But it's been shown that it will not lower the cost of health care in the slightest. Just require that everyone have it. Those that still can't afford it, and even less now due to raising taxes on individuals and small business, will be fined. If your current plan is not up to "Government Standards", you will be fined a whole years worth of health care costs. And how does 32,000 American's well being fall onto the backs of the millions of tax payers? How does 32,000 needs dictate the will of the majoritys needs? Doesn't make much mathmatical sense.

          My statement regarding the health care professionals disagreeing with the Chocolate Messiah's socialism is from numerous polls. Just like the Democrats claiming this is what "America" wants. No, this is what they want. The majority of America did not want this bill. The closest poll was 49% against, 40% for.

          18% of American's thought O-Care wasn't drastic enough.
          39% strongely disagree and think this is a violation of civil rights.
          22% think the Democrats have it spot on.


          Amen, to the man who pointed out that this plan in General is a controlling power hungry grab at stifling freedom. Taking into account just HOW they went about it is evidence enough of their motives and intentional move towards a Socialist state of affairs. That is not progress. It's been done and tried. It does not work. If you disagree, look at the history books. If your arguement is "these countries are doing fine now", that means very little in comparison with how America has done, progressed and surpassed many of them in the same amount of time.
          Need a part? PM me.

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          • Cyrix2k
            E30 Addict
            • Mar 2010
            • 593

            #80
            Republicans -- Bartlett, N.

            hell yeah. I met this man in person and he seems to do a pretty good job.
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            • HarryPotter
              No R3VLimiter
              • Jan 2010
              • 3642

              #81
              It's not progress, it's progressive!


              "Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."

              John F. Kennedy

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              • Hallen
                E30 Enthusiast
                • Dec 2007
                • 1008

                #82
                Originally posted by KenC
                Your reference to the majority of health professionals not wanting the bill to pass is absurd and downright false. Nearly every health professional organization in the country endorsed it.

                How does it encourage people to use the ED more now? 32,000,000 fellow Americans will now have access to affordable coverage, and primary care providers are receiving an increase in reimbursement for treating Medicaid patients.
                Yes, the AMA endorsed it. But they've received huge backlash from their members on it just as AARP did. AMA has its fingers in the pie just like the trial lawyers and unions. When you talk about an organization like that, you are talking about something that is self-serving, just like the Corporations liberals love to bash. One is honest about it, the other implies that they are representing their members when that in fact, isn't the case.

                32,000,000 would have access to affordable health insurance if it wasn't for government's meddling in the first place. You can't solve the problem by creating a more complicated, adverse, and unsustainable program. You just make it worse.

                A good example: people in Massachusetts often don't bother to buy health insurance until they are really sick. Why? Because insurance companies are forced to take on everybody regardless if they have a preexisting condition. People choose to pay the penalties for no insurance because it's cheaper than the available insurance. Why is it expensive? Because people don't buy it until they are sick and because it is required to be a full meal deal plan, nothing less. This national plan will create the same kinds of unintended and uncontrollable consequences. Those 32million people who will supposedly have insurance with this new plan are probably better off now than they will be later on. Yay for our intrepid democrats.
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                • Q5Quint
                  Mod Crazy
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 725

                  #83
                  Wait,


                  so this means I have to buy insurance now?

                  What is this? A car?

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                  • eurotrashm20
                    Advanced Member
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 117

                    #84
                    Hmmm ... wait I got it. Since I am a responsible adult that pays for my own insurance, will the gov't pay to build my BMW?
                    http://www.teameurotrash.com/

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                    • Massive Lee
                      R3V OG
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 6782

                      #85
                      The sanity of the supporters is questionable. ;-)

                      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/he.../25health.html
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                      • trent

                        #86
                        Originally posted by KenC
                        Your reference to the majority of health professionals not wanting the bill to pass is absurd and downright false. Nearly every health professional organization in the country endorsed it.
                        I just want to point out that not all "health professionals" are part of every "health organization." Far from it actually.

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                        • HarryPotter
                          No R3VLimiter
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 3642

                          #87
                          Originally posted by eurotrashm20
                          Hmmm ... wait I got it. Since I am a responsible adult that pays for my own insurance, will the gov't pay to build my BMW?
                          They will probably tax it though as they will probably deem your old car bad for your health.


                          "Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."

                          John F. Kennedy

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                          • JayH
                            Noobie
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 9

                            #88
                            Well hopefully Rush will move to Costa Rica in a few years.

                            That alone will make this bill worth the cost of admission!

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                            • HarryPotter
                              No R3VLimiter
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 3642

                              #89
                              Originally posted by JayH
                              Well hopefully Rush will move to Costa Rica in a few years.

                              That alone will make this bill worth the cost of admission!
                              Costa rica has gov healthcare too, so why would he move there?


                              "Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."

                              John F. Kennedy

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                              • JayH
                                Noobie
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 9

                                #90
                                CALLER: If the health care bill passes, where would you go for health care yourself? And the second part of that is, what would happen to the doctors, do they have to participate in the federal program, or could they opt out of it? [...]

                                LIMBAUGH: My guess in even in Canada and even in the UK, doctors have opted out. And once they’ve opted, they can’t see anybody Medicare, Medicaid, or what will become the exchanges. They have to have a clientele of private patients that will pay them a retainer and it’ll be a very small practice. I don’t know if that’s been outlawed in the Senate bill. I don’t know. I’ll just tell you this, if this passes and it’s five years from now and all that stuff gets implemented — I am leaving the country. I’ll go to Costa Rica.

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