The job market is really pissing me off.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I was thinking along the lines of most of the financial handout programs. When the US decided instead of innovation, that we needed to shift to a financial market system, as opposed to goods/services, we lost a lot of the ground we gained durring the Industrial Revolution.

That 1950's image of the kid with the clean cut face, button down shirt, working his ass off has been replaced with a gaggle of unkempt minorities (Caucasion's are included) thinking it's christmas, putting their hand out, and showing their four year old just how to pose your fingers so you look downtrodden enough to collect a check.

[xwill112x]

we need to abolish this excuse of a government, it does nothing but fill the pockets of a few big shots, all the while emptying everyone else's. if our gov't is supposed to be an image of what people want, why the hell is almost everyone bitching about how shitty the government currently is? i personally dont know 1 person who is for the war is the middle east, everyone i know supports the troops- supports bringing their ass home. any idea how far were i debt? we'll never see out of it due to the fact that its so large. all because a FEW big shots believe "war" is the right answer. wait what are we fighting for again? are we even fighting? we havent fought a real war since WWII.

the people of the US need to get their heads out of their ass's, and eliminate this enormous pile of asswipes we allow to tell us what to do daily, and on top of that spent all of OUR money on bullshit THEY want. Yet, when we're doign something we WANT, we have to pay them, in court fee's because they dont think we should be allowed to do what WE WANT with OUR MONEY, remember its their job to do what THEY WANT, with OUR MONEY.

/rant

[Farbin Kaiber]

What IF someone over there REALLY has nukes and they gubmint isn't telling us for our safety?

[xwill112x]

What IF someone over there REALLY has nukes and they gubmint isn't telling us for our safety?

who cares, its known that if you piss the US off as a nation, its hell to pay. (ex. pearl harbor..etc..etc..)

If it were left to me, and some arabian country nuked us, i'd make sure i blew every scratch off that misrable excuse of a middle eastern region with nukes. they may prick us, but we would slit their throat.

walk softy, carry a big stick.

[HarryPotter]

who cares, its known that if you piss the US off as a nation, its hell to pay. (ex. pearl harbor..etc..etc..)

If it were left to me, and some arabian country nuked us, i'd make sure i blew every scratch off that misrable excuse of a middle eastern region with nukes. they may prick us, but we would slit their throat.

walk softy, carry a big stick.

No.

[xwill112x]

then what do you suggest harry potter? we fly on our brrom sticks to stop terrorism all while letting the governemnt spend all our money?

Yes.

[Schnitzer318is]

What IF someone over there REALLY has nukes and they gubmint isn't telling us for our safety?

If someone wants to acquire and use nukes, they will. Everyone wants to acquire THE weapon for an obvious reason: a seat at the table. It is a bargaining chip that can take your second or third world country straight to the "big kid" table.

That 1950's image of the kid with the clean cut face, button down shirt, working his ass off has been replaced...

That's because the middle class is so much smaller now. There are far less of those clean cut kids than there are of the lower class "handout" ones.

96% of your income is still 96% of your income, no matter how cheap shit is. You think prices rose and incomes stayed the same?

^What he said.

Farbin, I agree with you on the VA... it's a sad sorted program at best. And I agree I would like smaller government with less red tape and trim much of the bureaucracies...

When people are taxed from their income, then the remaining income is taxed for purchaces, then the remaining income is taxed when you put it in your savings accout, we have gone too far.

Income tax is national, and in most cases State as well. If you don't like it move to Texas, Florida, etc with no state income tax. As for sales tax that is also a state thing, so in most cases states are double dipping their residents. Again, move to a state with no income tax. As for the account deposits being taxed, I'm not following you there. It should only be taxed on the interest of the deposits which would be of course considered earnings for the year.

Our single biggest problem right now is our national deficit. The war in Iraq/Afghanistan has doubled it over 9 years from just under 7 trillion to whatever it is today. If the national deficit was payed down, which can ONLY be done by raising taxes (dramatically, back to pre Reagan levels) AND cutting spending, we would see a cost of living decrease because goods from overseas would be cheaper, cost of operations would be cheaper, etc.

[Farbin Kaiber]

If someone wants to acquire and use nukes, they will. Everyone wants to acquire THE weapon for an obvious reason: a seat at the table. It is a bargaining chip that can take your second or third world country straight to the "big kid" table.

Yeah, but with the US and Russia coming up with a new disarmament treaty, it would lead you to believe there is something new coming down the pike, so I'd bet there will be a new "Teenager Table" that will be telling the "big kids" what the playground rules really are.

That's because the middle class is so much smaller now. There are far less of those clean cut kids than there are of the lower class "handout" ones.

A purposeful maneuver, Why have leaders, managers, and employees when you can get rid of the managers, pay the employees less, and bump the leaders pay grades? There has been a rising tide to squeeze out the Middle class to remove their majority voting power and instill a desire to do what the powers that be desire by those whom are powerless without their interventions.

Farbin, I agree with you on the VA... it's a sad sorted program at best. And I agree I would like smaller government with less red tape and trim much of the bureaucracies...

Thanks.

Income tax is national, and in most cases State as well. If you don't like it move to Texas, Florida, etc with no state income tax. As for sales tax that is also a state thing, so in most cases states are double dipping their residents. Again, move to a state with no income tax. As for the account deposits being taxed, I'm not following you there. It should only be taxed on the interest of the deposits which would be of course considered earnings for the year.

Our single biggest problem right now is our national deficit. The war in Iraq/Afghanistan has doubled it over 9 years from just under 7 trillion to whatever it is today. If the national deficit was payed down, which can ONLY be done by raising taxes (dramatically, back to pre Reagan levels) AND cutting spending, we would see a cost of living decrease because goods from overseas would be cheaper, cost of operations would be cheaper, etc.

I know about the options for taxes, I left LA County, (10.25% salestax, 8.25% is state rate) to Rural Idaho, a state tax of 6%, No County subtaxes. If options would have presented themselves, I'd have gone to a 0% state tax state. My savings "stab" was just an unfounded statement.

I must say, unfortunately, I do not think the option you refer to would work, for the citizens. The majority would be happy with a decrease on spending and certain projects if it would ensure a "locked-in" tax rate for citizens.

Nothing is gonna be done right, or happen to do so, aside from a secondary collapse or double dip that will change and make void the word of the US Constitution.

[HarryPotter]

then what do you suggest harry potter? we fly on our brrom sticks to stop terrorism all while letting the governemnt spend all our money?

Yes.

I would refuse to drop nukes from my brooming bomber. Nukes are bad mmkay.

[xwill112x]

seriously? they're always fighting for no reason. they come over here to kill us, because why? because we believe in god? seriously..who gives a fuck.

i wouldnt kill them for some bullshit reason, i could give a fuck what they believe in. but if they did that to my country, i'd hate to be them. pay back's a bitch when your whole entire excuse of a country is wiped off the fucking map.

[Farbin Kaiber]

^ That is called genocide. It's not an all or nothing issue, there are always bad seeds in the apple, but that don't mean the fruit is bad.

[kronus]

seriously? they're always fighting for no reason. they come over here to kill us, because why? because we believe in god? seriously..who gives a fuck.

i wouldnt kill them for some bullshit reason, i could give a fuck what they believe in. but if they did that to my country, i'd hate to be them. pay back's a bitch when your whole entire excuse of a country is wiped off the fucking map.

You're horribly misinformed.

[Hallen]

Doesn't happen... like I said tax brackets used to be insanely high for the wealthy (2mil+/yr) and they still stayed wealthy and still operated their businesses/careers. For example, in the mid 40's the gov't took .96 cents out of every dollar you made if you made more than 200,000/yr (2,200,000 in today's $$$). The rich still worked for every .04 they could get out of that $1. As long as there is money to be made, people will go after it.

As far as seeing it from his perspective... You see it as "the gov't is TAKING $30,000 from me." I see it as you are contributing $30,000 to the country you live in, without which, you could not make the money you did. You can have a very nice standard of living on $120,000/yr after tax.

I have worked lots of overtime, and though taxed heavily, always came out as more money on my paycheck than had I not worked it. I can see where you are coming from saying some individuals would choose to make less money to pay less taxes... but I don't think that would be the majority of people as more money (even incrementally) is always more better.

You are entirely missing the point.

The 96% tax thing was started by FDR. It has a crippling effect on business since the majority of those in the upper categories are businesses. When those taxes were wound down, long before Reagan btw, it had a major stimulating effect on the economy. Everybody was better off because of it and the government's take was higher than it was under the punitive taxes.

You are only seeing things from your own, personal perspective. I can guarantee you that you would get paid less, and be out of work more, if the government implements a more punitive tax structure. It's the way things work. It is in you own best interests, and the best interests of our economy and our nation, to lower taxes across the board. It is the best way to go by far.

Nobody is arguing about paying a certain level of taxes. We all understand that the government will use that money for things we disagree with. It's the nature of the beast. However, it is this misguided notion that by the government taking a higher percentage of our money, and spending as they see fit is better than you spending that money how you see fit.

The deficit is a huge problem. It's our politicians showing no self-restraint and not looking out for the best interests of America. It is government for the sake of government. Taxing more, even to pay down the debt, is not the right answer at all. Lower taxes will go further to reducing the deficit and the debt than raising taxes will. Also, we need government to show self restraint and quit enacting these entitlement programs that nobody wanted in the first place. Those are the things that are killing us, not the wars, not the military, and not border patrols. It's wasteful programs and entitlements that are killing us. That's what we are against. We aren't anti-government. We are anti-government growth and rabid taxation.

[kronus]

How will lowering tax income reduce the deficit?

[mrsleeve]

How will lowering tax income reduce the deficit?

lower taxes stimulate the economy and help facilitate growth. greater growth = more dollars that are taxable even at a lower rate.

Think of it as the walmart model of taxes. You dont get as much per dollar earned, but because more dollars are earned you get more tax revenue in the end. Just a walmart sells on razor thin profit margins on individual products, they just sell shit loads of them compared to the competition, because their prices are less.