Firefighters!

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[quote=Lunner;1992030]I don't necessarily believe that firemen and teachers salaries should be equal by any means, nor did I argue for that, but to devalue one so much compared to the other seems very unfair, considering how extremely important education is.

I'm not much for forum debates anymore (except when I'm drinking, my bad), so I'll just close by agreeing with the above post. Firefighters being paid soldier's wages sounds good to me.

btw im not trying to come off like a-hole if i have been with everybody. Just that like always we wont all agree.

for me im about raising the salary of a soldier.

And hey, if you're a fire fighting fire fighter, thanks. "And if you can read this, thank a teacher".[/quote]I agree but i was rolling when i read this

[Javier h]

Friend's son made $140k (san diego) last year with overtime (lots), he's 27.

Frankly, that whole firemen thing needs to be re-vamped especially here in Cali where the state is near bankruptcy. Some retire @ 50 will a full pension and some have full-time side jobs since they only work 3 days a week. I know a few; I had this one guy who came to my house to give me a bid on a remodeling project! He's a contractor on the side.

Having said that, I dont mind paying them good salaries but 140k is a bit steep and when you ad the benefits and pensions, its no wonder they make the news on these issues. Also what's the deal with everytime you call emergency (non fire related), you have a complete fire truck with 8 firemen in your house? Seems like these guys are hard up to do anything and I dont want hear that its some training exercise.

Only in Cali folks.

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Friend's son made $140k (san diego) last year with overtime (lots), he's 27.

Frankly, that whole firemen thing needs to be re-vamped especially here in Cali where the state is near bankruptcy. Some retire @ 50 will a full pension and some have full-time side jobs since they only work 3 days a week. I know a few; I had this one guy who came to my house to give me a bid on a remodeling project! He's a contractor on the side.

Having said that, I dont mind paying them good salaries but 140k is a bit steep and when you ad the benefits and pensions, its no wonder they make the news on these issues. Also what's the deal with everytime you call emergency, you have a complete fire truck with 8 firemen in your house? Seems like these guys are hard up to do anything and I dont want hear that its some training exercise.

Only in Cali folks.

I understand that 140k alot. ive already agreed to that. but like i said earlier if a rookie made 140k its alot but if it were a battalion chief etc. someone higher ranked than why not?

Why do you get a fire truck and 8 firefighters?

Because there are more trucks than ambulances, (sometimes departments work along side with private ambulances because the dept. dosent have enough)
AND since every FF Is now required to be EMT certified he has the same training for an on-scene accident as a paramedic. In most cases since there are little resources for an ambulance, the first responders(those 8 firefighters) job is to keep you alive, the sooner the better.The ambulance can be farther away than the Trucks at the station.

Waiting for an ambulance when you are unresponsive and hemorrhaging can leave you dead in minutes(before the arrival of any ambulance). So those 8 firefighters with there trucks are going to arrive first and most likely keep you alive until paramedics can arrive and transport you to the closest trauma center.

So what is it going to be. 8 firefighter first responders? or are you going to take your chance and wait for the ambulance?

[Restoman]

You don't have to respond to every post. We know firefighters are overpaid and you are not going to change most of our minds. We appreciate the services, but like everything in the USA we do not want to over pay. I believe we are overpaying.

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i know im not going to change peoples minds.

Im just stating things people dont know. like my last post.

But your rite im gonna stop responding to all the posts

[Kershaw]

for me im about raising the salary of a soldier.

possibly a moderate increase is in order.

but regardless, i dont think a private, fresh out of a high school, should be making 60k/year. that what officers start out making. (i should know, i have a commission as a 2nd LT in the Corps.) but a 2nd LT is responsible for an entire platoon.

also, you cant just raise the pay of a few million people on the governments pay roll. that's crazy. we are strapped for cash, as a nation, due to the wars we fight.

so, i think the guy in the OP's links has a point.

motion to move to political section. taxes are political. the pay for people on the publics pay roll is political.

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possibly a moderate increase is in order.

but regardless, i dont think a private, fresh out of a high school, should be making 60k/year. that what officers start out making. (i should know, i have a commission as a 2nd LT in the Corps.) but a 2nd LT is responsible for an entire platoon.

also, you cant just raise the pay of a few million people on the governments pay roll. that's crazy. we are strapped for cash, as a nation, due to the wars we fight.

so, i think the guy in the OP's links has a point.

motion to move to political section. taxes are political. the pay for people on the publics pay roll is political.

your correct maybe a kid out of high school shouldnt be making that kind of money.

and maybe they should increase the requirements to be a firefighter. they did in cali. you have to be an emt first befor becoming a firefigther.

and ive always wondered why a soldier makes so little.

[hugh jass]

I understand that 140k alot. ive already agreed to that. but like i said earlier if a rookie made 140k its alot but if it were a battalion chief etc. someone higher ranked than why not?

Why do you get a fire truck and 8 firefighters?

Because there are more trucks than ambulances, (sometimes departments work along side with private ambulances because the dept. dosent have enough)
AND since every FF Is now required to be EMT certified he has the same training for an on-scene accident as a paramedic. In most cases since there are little resources for an ambulance, the first responders(those 8 firefighters) job is to keep you alive, the sooner the better.The ambulance can be farther away than the Trucks at the station.

Waiting for an ambulance when you are unresponsive and hemorrhaging can leave you dead in minutes(before the arrival of any ambulance). So those 8 firefighters with there trucks are going to arrive first and most likely keep you alive until paramedics can arrive and transport you to the closest trauma center.

So what is it going to be. 8 firefighter first responders? or are you going to take your chance and wait for the ambulance?

So when are departments going to start scaling back the number of engines and replace them with 2 man paramedic crews? Isn't is a little crazy to have 8 fire fighters rolling up on every call when only a small fraction are fires?
All the work you guys have done on fire prevention and smoke detectors in every house might put you out of a job!

[hugh jass]

your correct maybe a kid out of high school shouldnt be making that kind of money.

and maybe they should increase the requirements to be a firefighter. they did in cali. you have to be an emt first befor becoming a firefigther.

and ive always wondered why a soldier makes so little.

pretty soon every ff is going to have to be a paramedic, at least thats the say the trend seems to be going

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So when are departments going to start scaling back the number of engines and replace them with 2 man paramedic crews? Isn't is a little crazy to have 8 fire fighters rolling up on every call when only a small fraction are fires?
All the work you guys have done on fire prevention and smoke detectors in every house might put you out of a job!

well i didnt mean 8 ff's i was just using that as an example when he said that 8 show up. I know not that many would go out for the call.

and i have no clue on what they will do with the shortage of paramedic crews/ambulance

pretty soon every ff is going to have to be a paramedic, at least thats the say the trend seems to be going

i wouldnt hate it if that became a requirement. Its what i am going to do without it being a requirement as it stands rite now.
But being a paramedic would be a very good requirement

[hugh jass]

well i didnt mean 8 ff's i was just using that as an example when he said that 8 show up. I know not that many would go out for the call.

and i have no clue on what they will do with the shortage of paramedic crews/ambulance



i wouldnt hate it if that became a requirement. Its what i am going to do without it being a requirement as it stands rite now.
But being a paramedic would be a very good requirement

everyone i know that is applying to departments right now is getting their paramedic license. i don't know if municipalities will ever require it of all their ff, but i think you'll see everyone who is at the top of the list getting hired will have their paramedic license. i think it gives departments more flexibility for providing als.

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everyone i know that is applying to departments right now is getting their paramedic license. i don't know if municipalities will ever require it of all their ff, but i think you'll see everyone who is at the top of the list getting hired will have their paramedic license. i think it gives departments more flexibility for providing als.

yup its how it goes.
idk if you read on of my earlier posts. but i said.

When i go for paramedic school ill only have to pay 12k
But it costs the deparment 60k for paramedic school per student. And the way the budget is rite now, they will take anyone who can save them money

[joshuaaa]

wow, im surprised you actually think having a large number of firefighters is a stupid idea.. cuz when a fire happens, especially in a downtown area where it can spread easily from house to house or building to building, you NEED that many people. because not everyone can work that single incident when theres other calls that need to be helped on. and with a medical call, it can sometimes take 4 or more people to handle it as effectively as departments are doing now.

as for wildland firefighting, whoever it was that said digging ditches is pointless is completely retarded. without digging fireline, the fire is not contained and it continues to spread costing the government even more money. id love to hear you bitch and complain about it when your home and family are in danger of a fire. because when im away from my family and home for days or weeks, its not all fun and games. try working night shifts for a good 12-16 hours every day only to try and get sleep in the daytime heat. or putting fireline through thick woods. try running a chainsaw for hour after hour next to a fire.

im not saying there arent other jobs that deserve to be paid more for what risks they take and the stress they go through. but some of you should maybe do some research before talking like you know your shit and make yourself look like a complete idiot.

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wow, im surprised you actually think having a large number of firefighters is a stupid idea.. cuz when a fire happens, especially in a downtown area where it can spread easily from house to house or building to building, you NEED that many people. because not everyone can work that single incident when theres other calls that need to be helped on. and with a medical call, it can sometimes take 4 or more people to handle it as effectively as departments are doing now.

as for wildland firefighting, whoever it was that said digging ditches is pointless is completely retarded. without digging fireline, the fire is not contained and it continues to spread costing the government even more money. id love to hear you bitch and complain about it when your home and family are in danger of a fire. because when im away from my family and home for days or weeks, its not all fun and games. try working night shifts for a good 12-16 hours every day only to try and get sleep in the daytime heat. or putting fireline through thick woods. try running a chainsaw for hour after hour next to a fire.

im not saying there arent other jobs that deserve to be paid more for what risks they take and the stress they go through. but some of you should maybe do some research before talking like you know your shit and make yourself look like a complete idiot.

100% agreed. I just didnt want to lay it all out like that.

Its true. alot of people may think it looks easy. but just putting someone in a back board to imobilize the spine takes 4 people, and there are steps that need to be takken in order for that person not to be paralized or become a quad for the rest of there life.

Just in one emt class im learning SO MUCH INFORMATION and theres so much more to what people see