Does anyone else feel hopeless about the oil well in the gulf?

[europeanplates]

[QUOTE=mrsleeve;2028176]


THEY DONT CARE about saving the well it was never never intended to be a production well it was a Wild Cat (exploratory). This was just to see if the formation that was down there had oil in it, and if it was worth punching a production well into it.
QUOTE]

Where did you here this? I am no expert but I am pretty sure an explortory well would not require one of transoceans flags ship vessels and would leak and untold amount.

If BP is so great why do they not let the scientist measure the flow?

Ty

[Ryan Stewart]

[quote=europeanplates;2028242]

THEY DONT CARE about saving the well it was never never intended to be a production well it was a Wild Cat (exploratory). This was just to see if the formation that was down there had oil in it, and if it was worth punching a production well into it.
QUOTE]

Where did you here this? I am no expert but I am pretty sure an explortory well would not require one of transoceans flags ship vessels and would leak and untold amount.

If BP is so great why do they not let the scientist measure the flow?

Ty

Its been out on MSM for a while. BP employees were actually on the well (operated by another company mind you) to assess shutting down the well and accessing the deposit from another well. The explosion came from a gas buildup (typically more than just oil in the deposits).

Also, the reason they dont/cant measure it from the wellhead is, well, how the fuck would you? Its a liquid of a different viscosity but its well below the ocean. If they were able to capture and separate the fluids then yes they could accurately measure it but in reality noone can do anything but an educated guess (and that isnt taking into account gas/mud/water being blown out) based on either the ferocity of the flow or how much is ending up on the surface.

It would be like estimating the mass of wood in a fire through a cell phone camera from 30 feet away. You can only really see the size of the fire but cant take into account the speed of the burn.

[mrsleeve]

I'd be interested to see these "laws & regulations". Not that I doubt you, just want to be informed.

Executive Order 12777 and its latter amendments aka OPA oil Pollution act

Not sure how the fact that they have lost tons of money cleaning this up makes them the most likely to want to do it right. Their only motivation is to do just enough to salvage their already damaged public image. This point is reinforced by your statement about the well being for exploratory purposes only, not actually for production (ie. not a money maker so no motivation to save it really).

Just read today that BP has spent nearly 1b in clean up and shut down costs todate. That hurts them badly, thats why they have the biggest interest in getting it shut down. Wild cat wells are expensive, that rig was costing BP 3/4 of a mill every day it was on site working or not. Thats just Trasoceans fee for the rig and their Crew, this does not include supplies (mud, casing, cement, tooling 1 drill cone can cost 250k bucks and they may use 3 in a day. etc...) other contractors fees, BP company hands salaries, so on and so forth. That rig was costing 1-2mill a day to operate Thats why A test hole is just that, it takes longer to drill a production hole, and if its dry then you are out that much more. Or even if its a marginal product hole. They will produce this deposit eventually.

I certainly wasn't alive before the EPA existed but I doubt that you were either. I have on the other hand read a lot about those times and I don't want to go back to a point when big industry controlled environmental protections (if you could call it that). The fact is that the majority of Superfund and Brownfield sites which are polluted with volatile organic compounds (degreasers and other industrial biproducts) were first polluted because there was little or no environmental regulation preventing it.

The EPA in theory was is a good thing, and will agree to a point some environmental regulation is necessary. But we have not had a river catch fire in almost a 100 years. The environment is 1000% better and cleaner than it was 100 years ago despite what all the greenies and envirodouches tell you. The EPA has become nothing more than a bloated over powered tool of the GOVT to infringe on our liberties and accumulate power into the executive branch of govt. Its a means to exert regulation and write laws with out an act of congress and a means to punish business and individuals that are outta line with the federal agenda what ever that may be.

Examples, #1 CO2 is now classed as a TOXIC substance by the EPA, there for allowing them to REGULATE IT IE fine industries and persons that dont fall into line and can be specifically targeted, much like is done with the IRS. #2 You now have to be a GOVT certified lead abatement contractor to work on your own home if it was constructed before 1979. You have to pay the feds 600 bucks, spend the week end in a class and then you can work on your home. Violate those terms from the class or dont do it and you can end up fined 32k bucks a day per infraction and you can get multiple infractions per home. Not to mention the EPA is offering a 5k dollar bounty to anyone turning in their neighbors for working on their old house with out a govt licenses. Yes the EPA is one of the most VILE govt agencies and needs to go.

But those VOCs shouldn't be a problem. After all, they are natural and mother earth can certainly take care of it.

Yeah basically there are millions of barrels that leach naturally into the oceans all around the world. In fact it dwarfs drilling spills of petroleum in the environment.

According to the study, natural underwater oil deposits leak some 62 million gallons of oil a year into the ocean compared with

http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/may/2010-05-17/keeping-oil-spill-perspective?page=1

Well, you sure said it best.

will say it again, WILD CAT WELL NOT A PRODUCTION WELL. was never intended to be a production well. The casing down hole is not really big enough for a production well only 7" diameter IIRC. Production wells are closer to 12". The dont care if they save it, they just want it shut down.

[b*saint]

Bill Nye's two cents.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/01/gul...pt=T1&iref=BN1

[europeanplates]

I can tell you for fact that a billion dollars does not hurt BP. Even there 60 billion loss so far on there stock value is a small dent. I read there worth excess of 600 billion.

The other items are interesting including the test well.

Tyler

[mrsleeve]

I can tell you for fact that a billion dollars does not hurt BP. Even there 60 billion loss so far on there stock value is a small dent. I read there worth excess of 600 billion.

The other items are interesting including the test well.

Tyler

Yes they cleared 6b in profits for the 1st qtr. But still does not change the fact that it hurts them. Thats a billion less they can spend looking for new deposits and investing in the new tech and what not.

This will hurt them for a while, will it sink the company No prolly not.
.

[structured]

Executive Order 12777 and its latter amendments aka OPA oil Pollution act

Thanks

Just read today that BP has spent nearly 1b in clean up and shut down costs todate. That hurts them badly, thats why they have the biggest interest in getting it shut down. Wild cat wells are expensive, that rig was costing BP 3/4 of a mill every day it was on site working or not. Thats why A test hole is just that, it takes longer to drill a production hole, and if its dry then you are out that much more. Or even if its a marginal product hole. They will produce this deposit eventually.

The more effort that they put in, the more they will have to spend. If I were them, I would do just enough to save face but not enough to have to actually solve the problem. Wait until daddy (the govt) comes to clean up my mess.

[structured]

The EPA in theory was is a good thing, and will agree to a point some environmental regulation is necessary. But we have not had a river catch fire in almost a 100 years. The environment is 1000% better and cleaner than it was 100 years ago despite what all the greenies and envirodouches tell you. The EPA has become nothing more than a bloated over powered tool of the GOVT to infringe on our liberties and accumulate power into the executive branch of govt. Its a means to exert regulation and write laws with out an act of congress and a means to punish business and individuals that are outta line with the federal agenda what ever that may be.

This sounds a little too conspiracy theory to me. Who exactly is the puppet master telling all of the EPA regulators what to do? Or is the government some sort of robot with a collective brain which is somehow so different from the people who elected them that they are getting it wrong every time?

[quote=mrsleeve;2028463]Examples, #1 CO2 is not classed as a TOXIC substance by the EPA, there for allowing them to REGULATE IT IE fine industries and persons that dont fall into line and can be specifically targeted, much like is done with the IRS. #2 You now have to be a GOVT certified lead abatement contractor to work on your own home if it was constructed before 1979. You have to pay the feds 600 bucks, spend the week end in a class and then you can work on your home. Violate those terms from the class or dont do it and you can end up fined 32k bucks a day per infraction and you can get multiple infractions per home. Not to mention the EPA is offering a 5k dollar bounty to anyone turning in their neighbors for working on their old house with out a govt licenses. Yes the EPA is one of the most VILE govt agencies and needs to go.[/qoute]

This is an example of good intent leading to over regulation. While it is ridiculous, I don't think that it is an argument for deregulation. How else will we keep dimwits out there from harming themselves, their families, and their neighbors? You may know about household hazards but, believe it or not, the majority of Americans do not. Not to mention, I don't see how this is a reason to let big industries go unregulated. Maybe private homes, but not big business. The stakes are too high and they incentive is not there.

[quote=mrsleeve;2028463]Yeah basically there are millions of barrels that leach naturally into the oceans all around the world. In fact it dwarfs drilling spills of petroleum in the environment.[/qoute]

I'd like to see some data on that. In particular, I'd be interested to see an instance where so much was leached so fast and in a similar area. If you are right, you are right, but I'm not taking your word for it.

EDIT: sorry about the multi-quote fail

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No you are correct, its the all in one place that makes this such and issue. The natural leaching occurs world wide not just in one spot. just saying lets keep it in perspective here is all.

The EPA is worried about lead paint, and you disturbing it in your home. Well thats fine issue a PSA or some shit, its not the GOVT job to protect "dimwits" from them selves or me from my self, its called personal responsibility. Yes its a little tinfoil hatty but, its the rality of the situation. The EPA and its over reaching authority have regulated many many things outta the USA, and are one of the driving forces in keeping US made good so high and why we have lost so many of those jobs that produce said goods to other countries. Its mot just the labor advantage.

[Wiglaf]

lol @ bombing it

hey guys this dam is leaking, maybe a grenade would fix it??

[Pinepig]

It's amazing how ideological and based in fantasy most of you are.

Really.

Half of the replies in this thread make me

[mrsleeve]

Half of the replies in this thread make me

Sadly all those make me

[Pinepig]

Admittedly, I know nothing

Millions of barrels of oil in our oceans is a serious problem. There needs to be many many layers of protection and planning in place to keep it from happening.

Go look up where the majority ( think magnatudes larger than the spill in the gulf ) of oil that ends up in the ocean comes from, we'll wait for you to educate yourself and then you can come back type an opinion up.

There has been huge amounts of oil dumped into the ocean every fucking year yet most of you have no clue about it at all. The only reason you care now is because some talking head from the MSM is spoon feeding you tiny tidbits of soundbite information, fucking useful idiots, all of you.

[Pinepig]

Sadly all those make me

I smile and laugh at them, any serious trouble happens and they won't make it.

[Lof8]

Go look up where the majority ( think magnatudes larger than the spill in the gulf ) of oil that ends up in the ocean comes from, we'll wait for you to educate yourself and then you can come back type an opinion up.

There has been huge amounts of oil dumped into the ocean every fucking year yet most of you have no clue about it at all. The only reason you care now is because some talking head from the MSM is spoon feeding you tiny tidbits of soundbite information, fucking useful idiots, all of you.

I guess you're right. The oil in the Gulf is good.
And I'm nothing but a sheep for thinking it's bad.
Suck my dick.